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The Greater Hegemony Republic of Bursken

Stefoland wrote:We've already established this, it's called the ETO (Europeian Trading Organization); the open borders thing isn't obligatory, you're able to still do passport checks on the border but it's encouraged to have open borders. Also, borders are allowed to close at any time, whether its because of tension, (Which should quickly be resolved), or things like South Parter mentioned.

naturally

Stefoland and Northeastern italian

The Artificial Ignorance of UPC-3PO

Hello everyone!
Please extend a warm welcome to our newest residents:
Kileadan republic, Renofa, Baracos, and Tacol

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The Démocratique Socialiste of Prov

UPC-3PO wrote:Hello everyone!
Please extend a warm welcome to our newest residents:
Kileadan republic, Renofa, Baracos, and Tacol

Please feel free to telegram Sanjurika if you have any questions :)

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welcome new nations to europeia, enjoy your stay here!

Northeastern italian and Glorious mikhail gorbachev

The Best Football Club of Mancheseva City

Northeastern italian wrote:I know it's a controversial subject, but I just saw an abortion business on television in the United States.

I honestly think this is very ridiculous, abortion could only be legal in case of rape (my opinion) not just because you got pregnant and don't want the baby anymore. I think this is very lacking in empathy, I know that the mother also suffers but think about the baby, he has nothing to do with it

Okay, firstly, sometimes women get pregnant accidentally even with protection or the man leaves them during pregnancy, making having a child financially impossible for example, thus subjecting both the woman and the child to life in extreme poverty, which could easily be avoided by abortion. Secondly, why do men even get to decide whether abortion should be legal? We literally can't get pregnant, we don't know what it feels like to have a child. Thirdly, you didn't mention the pregnancy being dangerous to the woman as a reason for abortion.

And finally, it's not a baby, it's a foetus. It can't think, it can't feel pain at early stages (as far as I'm aware), and it just plainly isn't a human and thus shouldn't get human rights. It could be a human in the future, sure, but by that logic we'll all be dead in the future so we don't deserve rights. It is a part of a woman, and the woman should do whatever she wants with it

Prov, United gorthwaystalve, and Dead warrior daddy



Northeastern italian

Mancheseva City wrote:Okay, firstly, sometimes women get pregnant accidentally even with protection or the man leaves them during pregnancy, making having a child financially impossible for example, thus subjecting both the woman and the child to life in extreme poverty, which could easily be avoided by abortion. Secondly, why do men even get to decide whether abortion should be legal? We literally can't get pregnant, we don't know what it feels like to have a child. Thirdly, you didn't mention the pregnancy being dangerous to the woman as a reason for abortion.

And finally, it's not a baby, it's a foetus. It can't think, it can't feel pain at early stages (as far as I'm aware), and it just plainly isn't a human and thus shouldn't get human rights. It could be a human in the future, sure, but by that logic we'll all be dead in the future so we don't deserve rights. It is a part of a woman, and the woman should do whatever she wants with it

I disagree. Financial status is no reason not to have a child, if you have the ability to have unprotected (or sometimes with) sex and get pregnant you are fully capable of having a child. I don't know if you know but there are many struggling mothers giving their all to their offspring, this is maternal love, now you deny a child simply because you can change your life condition? This is cowardly and an insult to all mothers around the world. Can't men decide together with women? Wasn't it men who passed so many laws protecting women? Now they can no longer give advice on abortion?

Indeed, pregnancy can be dangerous, but depending on the degree of danger in pregnancy I understand A LITTLE but in other cases I don't. Would you woman deny having a child, something so blessed to go through pregnancy turmoil? Do you know how many mothers held out until the end? Want a story of overcoming??? JUST TODAY my teacher talked about this case, and from a student who started to argue with another about abortion, the story follows: I could very well have been aborted, my mother when she got pregnant She went through many difficulties, she could die, the doctors gave her the option but she denied it, thanks to that I am here alive and I thank her and God for not letting her carry out the act.

And even worse, would you abort your child just because it wasn't planned? Just because it can change your life you'll kill a child.

What you said to me was a total disregard for life and an insult to the child. Only if you are tested regularly will you only discover the baby when he is in the second or third month, At this stage (and before) the baby is already in pain and is going to suffer, Would you feel proud murdering children just because you didn't plan for them, or because you just don't want to? Do you know how cruel and disrespectful that sounded? A child is a blessing, If you had gone through the situation of almost being aborted you wouldn't have the vision you have now!

And sorry for the huge text, I'm very emotional about it

Prov and Glorious mikhail gorbachev

The Dauphinate of Murden

I've been enjoying the fantastical politicking on the RMB as of late; could we keep real world politics at bay?

Prov and Northeastern italian

United gorthwaystalve

Mancheseva City wrote:Okay, firstly, sometimes women get pregnant accidentally even with protection or the man leaves them during pregnancy, making having a child financially impossible for example, thus subjecting both the woman and the child to life in extreme poverty, which could easily be avoided by abortion. Secondly, why do men even get to decide whether abortion should be legal? We literally can't get pregnant, we don't know what it feels like to have a child. Thirdly, you didn't mention the pregnancy being dangerous to the woman as a reason for abortion.

And finally, it's not a baby, it's a foetus. It can't think, it can't feel pain at early stages (as far as I'm aware), and it just plainly isn't a human and thus shouldn't get human rights. It could be a human in the future, sure, but by that logic we'll all be dead in the future so we don't deserve rights. It is a part of a woman, and the woman should do whatever she wants with it

While I agree, the real argument is…Can the government ask your doctor about a medical procedure? Or is this confidential? The government has NO RIGHT to ask your doctor if you did something to your body. That is what Roe v Wade says.

Prov, Northeastern italian, and Dead warrior daddy



The Archipelagic Gem of Gemeinschaftsland

Northeastern italian wrote:I disagree. Financial status is no reason not to have a child, if you have the ability to have unprotected (or sometimes with) sex and get pregnant you are fully capable of having a child. I don't know if you know but there are many struggling mothers giving their all to their offspring, this is maternal love, now you deny a child simply because you can change your life condition? This is cowardly and an insult to all mothers around the world. Can't men decide together with women? Wasn't it men who passed so many laws protecting women? Now they can no longer give advice on abortion?

Indeed, pregnancy can be dangerous, but depending on the degree of danger in pregnancy I understand A LITTLE but in other cases I don't. Would you woman deny having a child, something so blessed to go through pregnancy turmoil? Do you know how many mothers held out until the end? Want a story of overcoming??? JUST TODAY my teacher talked about this case, and from a student who started to argue with another about abortion, the story follows: I could very well have been aborted, my mother when she got pregnant She went through many difficulties, she could die, the doctors gave her the option but she denied it, thanks to that I am here alive and I thank her and God for not letting her carry out the act.

And even worse, would you abort your child just because it wasn't planned? Just because it can change your life you'll kill a child.

What you said to me was a total disregard for life and an insult to the child. Only if you are tested regularly will you only discover the baby when he is in the second or third month, At this stage (and before) the baby is already in pain and is going to suffer, Would you feel proud murdering children just because you didn't plan for them, or because you just don't want to? Do you know how cruel and disrespectful that sounded? A child is a blessing, If you had gone through the situation of almost being aborted you wouldn't have the vision you have now!

And sorry for the huge text, I'm very emotional about it

It sounds like you're making the case that abortion is bad because it prevents a potential person from existing and growing up. However, from that point of view, since every single ovum has the capability to someday become a person, not allowing each and every one to be fertilized is preventing a potential person from existing and growing up...

Mancheseva City, Prov, Dracondra, and United gorthwaystalve

The Archipelagic Gem of Gemeinschaftsland

Murden wrote:I've been enjoying the fantastical politicking on the RMB as of late; could we keep real world politics at bay?

OMG Murden! Long time no see.

The Dauphinate of Murden

Gemeinschaftsland wrote:OMG Murden! Long time no see.

Nice to see familiar faces among the new ones 🍓

The Démocratique Socialiste of Prov

Murden wrote:Nice to see familiar faces among the new ones 🍓

OMG hi Murder



The Dauphinate of Murden

Prov wrote:OMG hi Murder

stabs 🔪

Glorious mikhail gorbachev

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Northeastern italian

Gemeinschaftsland wrote:It sounds like you're making the case that abortion is bad because it prevents a potential person from existing and growing up. However, from that point of view, since every single ovum has the capability to someday become a person, not allowing each and every one to be fertilized is preventing a potential person from existing and growing up...

An ovum is not a fetus, right?

The Archipelagic Gem of Gemeinschaftsland

Northeastern italian wrote:An ovum is not a fetus, right?

In simple terms, it’s an unfertilized egg.



The Democratic Republic of Old Can

Northeastern italian wrote:An ovum is not a fetus, right?

Yes an "ovum" is the egg cell, that's fertilised by the sperm. The fetus is the unborn baby.



The Archipelagic Gem of Gemeinschaftsland

Old Can wrote:Yes an "ovum" is the egg cell, that's fertilised by the sperm. The fetus is the unborn baby.

Your point being…?

The Democratic Republic of Old Can

Gemeinschaftsland wrote:Your point being…?

Point? No no, I'm not participating in the abortion argument, I'm just answering a biology question

Glorious mikhail gorbachev

Northeastern italian

Old Can wrote:Yes an "ovum" is the egg cell, that's fertilised by the sperm. The fetus is the unborn baby.

Exactly, the ovum is part of the process of creating a fetus that will one day be born and grow, and I didn't understand where the Gemeinschaftsland wanted to arrive

The Record-Scratchin' Robot of Sincluda

Hi I really don't want to get into an NSG-scale argument (on abortion of all things), but I'd just like ask why some people value the fetus > the woman, since a lot of arguments boil down to that.



The Archipelagic Gem of Gemeinschaftsland

Old Can wrote:Point? No no, I'm not participating in the abortion argument, I'm just answering a biology question

Oh, my apologies, I took a cursory glance at your flag and assumed you were Northeastern Italian.

Northeastern italian

Gemeinschaftsland wrote:Oh, my apologies, I took a cursory glance at your flag and assumed you were Northeastern Italian.

It really is similar

Sincluda wrote:Hi I really don't want to get into an NSG-scale argument (on abortion of all things), but I'd just like ask why some people value the fetus > the woman, since a lot of arguments boil down to that.

Because it's a potential human life (it also has the mother's side but that's another story)

The Archipelagic Gem of Gemeinschaftsland

Northeastern italian wrote:It really is similar

Because it's a potential human life (it also has the mother's side but that's another story)

Even if we were to just accept that abortion were wrong because a fetus has the potential to become a human life… So does an ovum, and you explicitly endorsed safe sex, which prevents an ovum from being fertilized, and thus prevents a human life from coming to be.

The Démocratique Socialiste of Prov

Murden wrote:stabs 🔪

:000 dies



Moscowian

A national referendum on joining the ETO/EU was held in the Moscowian Republic. The vote count showed 53% for abstention and 47% for joining.
The Liberal Democratic Party of Moscowian reacted to this with regret.
The Social Democratic Party explains this by the mentality of Muscovians, namely their respect for sovereignty (in their understanding, joining this union would somehow reduce our sovereignty).
Representatives of the National Conservative Party of Moscowian believe that there are advantages in this in fact already in our relations with the participating countries unilaterally. We already have a visa-free regime, and trade agreements are regularly signed and updated (Liberals argue with them about this).
The Government of the Moscowian Republic believes that the advantages of the ETO/EU are still insufficient (at least for citizens who would vote For it).
Simply put, we will observe.

Murden, South Parter, and Glorious mikhail gorbachev

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