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The Federal Republic of Soragan

Hundene wrote:Wait I just realized, so there is no real point in being endorsed if you are not the delegate or there is no need of a new delegate? Sort of?

It gives you influence.

Bestelesnia

Hundene wrote:Wait I just realized, so there is no real point in being endorsed if you are not the delegate or there is no need of a new delegate? Sort of?

Emm yes and no. It depends on how you view endorsements, really.
As i said previously, i use it mainly as a recognition of friendship (thats why i wanted more esdorsements lol, just to have more friends, but oh well).
If you are talking purely on game mechanics, i think it kinda depends on how the region is organized, the quantity of nations in it, how much it gets involved in raiding activities, etc.



The Federal Republic of Soragan

Hundene wrote:Wait I just realized, so there is no real point in being endorsed if you are not the delegate or there is no need of a new delegate? Sort of?

Well in this region, there's a Endorsement Cap. The Delegate requests for people to endorse them, but in return, he will endorse back.

Bestelesnia wrote:Emm yes and no. It depends on how you view endorsements, really.
As i said previously, i use it mainly as a recognition of friendship (thats why i wanted more esdorsements lol, just to have more friends, but oh well).
If you are talking purely on game mechanics, i think it kinda depends on how the region is organized, the quantity of nations in it, how much it gets involved in raiding activities, etc.

I too use endorsements as a kind of friendship. Also I use them to form treaties, alliances, and recognition. Although I wish for the Cap in increase so I can do this more, I will follow what North East Somerset does (Now). As of now I'm above the cap because someone endorsed me a few days ago, and still hasn't despite my telegram I sent him.

Ladtanderan

Helllo there. I have returned from the dead once again and here to ask a bloody simple question. Likmao is the lord of our religion Munchkinism. What else is "Likmao"?

The Federation of Aelyria

Marshall islandss wrote:same how did I get here, I had my own area lol

Missed this earlier. If a player-created region has no nations in it, that region is permanently deleted. You can always make it again however if that suits your fancy.

Hundene wrote:So basically, if everyone plans together, they could potentially overthrow the delegate and elect someone else? Neat.

Not quite true. This only works for certain kinds of regions, but such regions are quite common so it isn't rare or anything. There are also complications that make it harder than it could otherwise be, so it's not a cut and dried thing.

See, for any player-created region, the Founder always has all the power...assuming they still exist. If the Founder leaves or their nation ceases to exist, control defaults to the regional Delegate, who is determined by whoever has the most endorsements. As noted, this change occurs at major update times, so there's a brief window where the Delegate position is retained by the former holder.

This is where the second consideration comes in: Influence. Nations with many endorsements and long residence have a lot of Influence, and the Influence required to kick or ban a nation is proportional to how much Influence that nation has. So even if Randome Joe Nation were to saunter in with 300 friends and try to take over Balder, it wouldn't be enough to just have those endorsements. They would need to time things very carefully to try to remove members of the current government, so that they could hold onto power for more than a brief moment before Defending nations flood in to support the original Delegate. Further, common tactics like password-locking the region also require Influence to use, so there are many difficulties an aspiring Raider must manage--all while personally controlling only a single WA nation, since it is and always has been rank cheating to ever have a single user play multiple nations simultaneously in the WA.

This is why the "Raiding" and "Defending" aspect of the game is...well, actually a game. If it were too easy to raid it would be a hollow victory, and if it were too easy to defend then no one would bother. The tension between the difficult but real chance of snatching a nation away from its native control is what makes Raiding and Defending interesting, for those who enjoy it. I have never participated myself, and intend to keep it that way: I contribute to Balder in other ways.

The Federation of Aelyria

Ladtanderan wrote:Helllo there. I have returned from the dead once again and here to ask a bloody simple question. Likmao is the lord of our religion Munchkinism. What else is "Likmao"?

A Greek word which refers to winnowing, or scattering and crushing like chaff (the non-edible parts of grain discarded during threshing, for those curious). I hope it is acceptable that I looked the word up in a Greek New Testament lexicon?

The Federal Republic of Soragan

Aelyria wrote:Missed this earlier. If a player-created region has no nations in it, that region is permanently deleted. You can always make it again however if that suits your fancy.
Not quite true. This only works for certain kinds of regions, but such regions are quite common so it isn't rare or anything. There are also complications that make it harder than it could otherwise be, so it's not a cut and dried thing.

See, for any player-created region, the Founder always has all the power...assuming they still exist. If the Founder leaves or their nation ceases to exist, control defaults to the regional Delegate, who is determined by whoever has the most endorsements. As noted, this change occurs at major update times, so there's a brief window where the Delegate position is retained by the former holder.

This is where the second consideration comes in: Influence. Nations with many endorsements and long residence have a lot of Influence, and the Influence required to kick or ban a nation is proportional to how much Influence that nation has. So even if Randome Joe Nation were to saunter in with 300 friends and try to take over Balder, it wouldn't be enough to just have those endorsements. They would need to time things very carefully to try to remove members of the current government, so that they could hold onto power for more than a brief moment before Defending nations flood in to support the original Delegate. Further, common tactics like password-locking the region also require Influence to use, so there are many difficulties an aspiring Raider must manage--all while personally controlling only a single WA nation, since it is and always has been rank cheating to ever have a single user play multiple nations simultaneously in the WA.

This is why the "Raiding" and "Defending" aspect of the game is...well, actually a game. If it were too easy to raid it would be a hollow victory, and if it were too easy to defend then no one would bother. The tension between the difficult but real chance of snatching a nation away from its native control is what makes Raiding and Defending interesting, for those who enjoy it. I have never participated myself, and intend to keep it that way: I contribute to Balder in other ways.

Always Aelyria. I don't know how, but how do you know everything about this game lol. I mean you do this when someone asks a question ALL THE TIME!? Tell me some hints please...

Bestelesnia

via The North Pacific

The holy red dotty empire

About Soragan
maybe somebody else could unendorse him?

The Federation of Aelyria

Soragan wrote:Always Aelyria. I don't know how, but how do you know everything about this game lol. I mean you do this when someone asks a question ALL THE TIME!? Tell me some hints please...

It's just stuff I've picked up over the years. Didn't know anything about it...three or four years ago I'd say.

If you have any specific questions, let me know, otherwise it's a bit hard to provide proper tips.

Bestelesnia

The Republik Federal Kesatuan of Woofworf

I hate the new WA vote

The Federation of Aelyria

Woofworf wrote:I hate the new WA vote

Sadly a common sentiment, for me and others. Lots of bad proposals lately. Worse than usual, I mean. How many laws make it in on premise only to be repealed because they were badly written? You would think the committee would try harder to avoid ambiguous wording...

The Federal Republic of Soragan

Aelyria wrote:Sadly a common sentiment, for me and others. Lots of bad proposals lately. Worse than usual, I mean. How many laws make it in on premise only to be repealed because they were badly written? You would think the committee would try harder to avoid ambiguous wording...

What did you vote for? I voted yes on the Peace and Substantial Growth because it benefitable to everyone.

The Bodysnatchars of Economichunger

WA peace prize, haha

The Bodysnatchars of Economichunger

i feel like the same 4 or 5 nations just keep posting resolutions. maybe thats why the quality has been so sub-par recently

Bestelesnia

The Federal Republic of Soragan

Guys should I become a Republic? I keep on debating myself over and over, and it's gets me to overthink.

The Republik Federal Kesatuan of Woofworf

Aelyria wrote:Sadly a common sentiment, for me and others. Lots of bad proposals lately. Worse than usual, I mean. How many laws make it in on premise only to be repealed because they were badly written? You would think the committee would try harder to avoid ambiguous wording...

I'm talking about both councils btw

The Federation of Experina

Guys I'm back from being inactive. for a long time I'm thinking of making a funny countryball comic of balder in nationstates I have recently feelt unwell with diarrhea



The Democratic-Republic of Kendell

Aelyria wrote:See, for any player-created region, the Founder always has all the power...assuming they still exist.

I'm pretty sure that since Balder is a sinker region it was created by the game moderators and in specific Testlandia who is owned by Max Barry.
Edit:

Warwick z codger wrote:Let it also be recorded for here and Osiris that the original WFE of this region is "Something Stirs" and that these two regions were first founded by Testlandia (Testlandia came here and founded the regions and passworded it them until they became sinker)

Aelyria wrote:Further, common tactics like password-locking the region also require Influence to use...

Balder differs in that regard. Balder can't be password-locked as it is a sinker region. Sinker regions are game mechanically open for everyone except maybe for nations ejected to the Rejected Realms. I don't know if nations are barred from joining a region again if they are banned and sent to the Reject Realms.

Aelyria wrote:I have never participated myself, and intend to keep it that way: I contribute to Balder in other ways.

I totally agree with you. I don't personally like participating in raids and I rather help Balder in other ways. Nevertheless, I understand the importance of raids to the game.

The Republik Federal Kesatuan of Woofworf

Experina wrote:Guys I'm back from being inactive. for a long time I'm thinking of making a funny countryball comic of balder in nationstates I have recently feelt unwell with diarrhea

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hope you feel better! i hope i can be in the comic too lol

The Democratic-Republic of Kendell

Experina wrote:Guys I'm back from being inactive. for a long time I'm thinking of making a funny countryball comic of balder in nationstates I have recently feelt unwell with diarrhea

It's good seeing you back and I hope you get well soon.

Bestelesnia

Economichunger wrote:i feel like the same 4 or 5 nations just keep posting resolutions. maybe thats why the quality has been so sub-par recently

Sadly this is the truth, Tinhampton and a few others are doing all the writing (there was actually some talk about this in one proposal i think), although i dare say i have seen a few that are quite good and should be presented kinda soon

The Federal Republic of Soragan

Guys please stop endorsing me! I'm at 17 now!!

Bestelesnia

Rohvenn

North East Somerset and Foooooooo, where did you make your flags? (Photoshop or a website?)

The united nationes

how yall doin?

The Federal Republic of Soragan

The united nationes wrote:how yall doin?

I currently have more endorsements then the Cap. I'm not doing well...

Lizzieland

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