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via Thaecia | Pap sculgief | Aye to all candidates |
via Thaecia |  The Republic of Democratized Peoples | Aye to all |
via Thaecia |  The Republic of Pradera | Aye to all |
via Thaecia |  The WA Delegate of Rayekka | |
via Thaecia | The WA Delegate of Rayekka | We are now debating The Treaty of Nakasako between Thaecia and the Alstroemerian Commonwealths.  The Treaty of Nakasako A treaty of cultural exchange, strategic affairs and mutual defence between Thaecia and the Alstroemerian Commonwealths -- Regions: Thaecia & the Alstroemerian Commonwealths -- ______________________________________________________________ (1) Thaecia will recognise only the legitimate government of the Alstroemerian Commonwealths as established by the populace of the same. (2) The Alstroemerian Commonwealths will recognise only the legitimate government of Thaecia, as determined by Thaecian law, as representative of the Region and people of Thaecia, and its dependencies. (1) Each signatory shall establish and maintain in-game embassies with one another. (2) Each signatory shall maintain off-site embassies with one another, consistent with facilities provided to other treatied allies. (3) Each signatory will strive to keep the other updated on their regional happenings. (1) The signatories will not invade or assist in a third-party invasion of the other signatory's home region or territories. The signatories also agree never to support, encourage or engage in any attempted subversion against the other. It is agreed upon that participating on the opposite sides of a battlefield in a third-party region will not constitute a violation of the treaty. (2) Should a signatory come under attack by hostile forces, if requested, the other signatory may help in their defence. (3) Both Parties agree never to engage in any form of espionage against each other. For the purposes of this Treaty, "espionage" means engaging a person to act under false pretences in a signatory region without the authorisation of the legitimate government of that region. (4) If a signatory comes into possession of significant information which could threaten the interests or security of the other signatory, it will share it. (1) The signatories will agree to encourage and support cultural exchanges and joint cultural events. The signatories agree to fully commit to promoting joint cultural events, and are encouraged to collaborate on the organisation of such events. (1) This Treaty shall enter into force on the date of its ratification by both Parties in accordance with their respective procedures. It may be amended when both parties agree to an amendment. (2) Either signatory may exit this treaty via their internal processes for repealing a treaty. They will endeavour to give a week's notice in the aforementioned embassies before withdrawing from this treaty. (3) The signatories will make all reasonable efforts to seek a diplomatic solution before withdrawing from this treaty. Prime Minister |
via Thaecia |  The Raider named Steak😎 of Snowflame | I have no questions when it comes to the treaty. I am very familiar with the regions that make up the Alstroemerian Commonwealths and I see no harm with pursuing a treaty. Islonia and Marvinville |
via Thaecia | The WA Delegate of Rayekka | The 12 hours minimum requirement for debates has passed, and with little said, we are now voting on The Treaty of Nakasako between Thaecia and the Alstroemerian Commonwealths. The Treaty of Nakasako A treaty of cultural exchange, strategic affairs and mutual defence between Thaecia and the Alstroemerian Commonwealths -- Regions: Thaecia & the Alstroemerian Commonwealths -- ______________________________________________________________ (1) Thaecia will recognise only the legitimate government of the Alstroemerian Commonwealths as established by the populace of the same. (2) The Alstroemerian Commonwealths will recognise only the legitimate government of Thaecia, as determined by Thaecian law, as representative of the Region and people of Thaecia, and its dependencies. (1) Each signatory shall establish and maintain in-game embassies with one another. (2) Each signatory shall maintain off-site embassies with one another, consistent with facilities provided to other treatied allies. (3) Each signatory will strive to keep the other updated on their regional happenings. (1) The signatories will not invade or assist in a third-party invasion of the other signatory's home region or territories. The signatories also agree never to support, encourage or engage in any attempted subversion against the other. It is agreed upon that participating on the opposite sides of a battlefield in a third-party region will not constitute a violation of the treaty. (2) Should a signatory come under attack by hostile forces, if requested, the other signatory may help in their defence. (3) Both Parties agree never to engage in any form of espionage against each other. For the purposes of this Treaty, "espionage" means engaging a person to act under false pretences in a signatory region without the authorisation of the legitimate government of that region. (4) If a signatory comes into possession of significant information which could threaten the interests or security of the other signatory, it will share it. (1) The signatories will agree to encourage and support cultural exchanges and joint cultural events. The signatories agree to fully commit to promoting joint cultural events, and are encouraged to collaborate on the organisation of such events. (1) This Treaty shall enter into force on the date of its ratification by both Parties in accordance with their respective procedures. It may be amended when both parties agree to an amendment. (2) Either signatory may exit this treaty via their internal processes for repealing a treaty. They will endeavour to give a week's notice in the aforementioned embassies before withdrawing from this treaty. (3) The signatories will make all reasonable efforts to seek a diplomatic solution before withdrawing from this treaty. I vote Aye. |
via Thaecia | Pap sculgief | Aye |
via Thaecia | The Republic of Pradera | Aye |
via Thaecia | The Republic of Democratized Peoples | I move unanimous consent on the following bill. I have a private question to the PM pending on the treaty. Author: Brototh, Islonia Sponsor: The Ambis An Act to fix my mistakes Preamble. Amends LR 059 Article II to read as follows,
Amends LR 059 Article V; amends any applicable numbers as appropriate. Section I - Should the Minister of Defense be found to have failed to inform the Senate, they shall be guilty of having committed an offence at the level of a Felony, as defined by LR 044, and should be punished in the same manner. Provided that the Prime Minister knew of the operation, and vice versa, they shall be considered complicit in this and shall be punished in the same manner. Adds LR 059 Article I Section V, Section V - At the Minister of Defense's pleasure, their title may alternate to Minister of Defence. I acknowledge the motion. |
via Thaecia |  The Armed Republic of New Central Iowa | Aye, this would allow the military more freedom, although i would strongly suggest a simple rewrite of article II section V to decrease the amount of required informational time. (UC) |
via Thaecia | Saltmore | Aye. I acknowledge the motion. |
via Thaecia | The WA Delegate of Rayekka | I acknowledge the motion |
via Thaecia | Pap sculgief | I acknowledge the motion |
via Thaecia | The WA Delegate of Rayekka | The Treaty of Nakasako has passed the Senate 5-0-2. The Treaty of Nakasako A treaty of cultural exchange, strategic affairs and mutual defence between Thaecia and the Alstroemerian Commonwealths -- Regions: Thaecia & the Alstroemerian Commonwealths -- ______________________________________________________________ (1) Thaecia will recognise only the legitimate government of the Alstroemerian Commonwealths as established by the populace of the same. (2) The Alstroemerian Commonwealths will recognise only the legitimate government of Thaecia, as determined by Thaecian law, as representative of the Region and people of Thaecia, and its dependencies. (1) Each signatory shall establish and maintain in-game embassies with one another. (2) Each signatory shall maintain off-site embassies with one another, consistent with facilities provided to other treatied allies. (3) Each signatory will strive to keep the other updated on their regional happenings. (1) The signatories will not invade or assist in a third-party invasion of the other signatory's home region or territories. The signatories also agree never to support, encourage or engage in any attempted subversion against the other. It is agreed upon that participating on the opposite sides of a battlefield in a third-party region will not constitute a violation of the treaty. (2) Should a signatory come under attack by hostile forces, if requested, the other signatory may help in their defence. (3) Both Parties agree never to engage in any form of espionage against each other. For the purposes of this Treaty, "espionage" means engaging a person to act under false pretences in a signatory region without the authorisation of the legitimate government of that region. (4) If a signatory comes into possession of significant information which could threaten the interests or security of the other signatory, it will share it. (1) The signatories will agree to encourage and support cultural exchanges and joint cultural events. The signatories agree to fully commit to promoting joint cultural events, and are encouraged to collaborate on the organisation of such events. (1) This Treaty shall enter into force on the date of its ratification by both Parties in accordance with their respective procedures. It may be amended when both parties agree to an amendment. (2) Either signatory may exit this treaty via their internal processes for repealing a treaty. They will endeavour to give a week's notice in the aforementioned embassies before withdrawing from this treaty. (3) The signatories will make all reasonable efforts to seek a diplomatic solution before withdrawing from this treaty. |
via Thaecia | The WA Delegate of Rayekka | We are now debating the 'Citizen Initiative Amendment'. Author: Democratized Peoples Sponsors: Democratized Peoples Seeking to empower the people to initiate changes to Thaecian law; Section I - Article I Section II of the Constitution shall be amended to read the following: Section I - The following section shall be added to Article IV of the Constitution following Section IV with subsequent sections being renumbered accordingly: I look forward to hearing Senator |
via Thaecia | The WA Delegate of Rayekka | I will remind Senators that this UC is still awaiting some responses. |
via Thaecia | The Republic of Pradera | Terrible bill! Completely ruins the point of a representative democracy! I urge all senators to kill this bill! |
via Thaecia | The Raider named Steak😎 of Snowflame | I acknowledge the motion. |
via Thaecia | Pap sculgief | Going to be honest, I think the bill over-complicates a system that works just fine. Citizens are already consulted on moves to amend the the constitution, and the job of Congress is literally there to scrutinise the legislation (that includes the constitution) of the region, so why (unless we are moving to direct democracy) are we surpassing that. As well as that, the bill doesn’t allow for any considerations on amending the amendments further, which makes the process longer, as they will have to be resubmitted in their altered form. Overall, I dislike the bill and plan to vote nay, unless there is a convincing argument not to. |
via Thaecia | The Republic of Democratized Peoples | I thank the Speaker for bringing this bill to the floor. Senators, this bill is not a direct democracy bill. It is not a bill that relegates our Congress to a subordinate role, it does not alter our regional character as a proud representative democracy. What it does do is allow the people to tell the government that we have made a mistake without getting rid of otherwise good legislators and replacing them with perhaps worse ones. It allows the people to directly enact a statute through a process that is not easily triggered or passed. It means that the citizenry, which we should all agree is the source of the state's power, is allowed to take initiative and pass something they want passed without the occasional, perhaps occasionally necessary, mess that bringing a controversial bill through congress entails. To expand on my point that this does not diminish congress, this bill does not stop the legislators from deciding that, if a popularly passed bill is not perfect or is so deeply flawed that it needs repeal, from changing or repealing it using our current processes. I cannot emphasize this enough, this bill does not disempower congress or create a radical-style direct-democracy. It allows a mechanism that numerous representative democracies allow as an additional check on the government. This is not a radical measure. It is a measure that preserves our system while letting the people have their say on a piece of legislation when they demand to have it. It will not be used as a replacement to our normal legislative process, just an occasional supplement to it. The basic fact is that we are not perfect as legislators and it would be impossible for us to be perfect. There will be deeply unpopular bills that we enact and extremely popular bills that we, through either negligence or personal disagreements, that we fail to pass. That is normal and to an extent is needed to from congress in a democracy. But that doesn't mean that we should not provide a mechanism for the citizenry to, when they have sufficient will and effort, override us and do something themselves. It is hypocritical for us to claim an unlimited mandate from the people as a legislator while also saying that they should be unable to give their mandate to an individual piece of legislation. Let the people have a mandate. In that vein, Senators, this bill will require the say of the people in the end. 60% of them must approve of it in order to pass. Let them have that say, if the people are content without initiative that will be their choice. But to say that this bill is an attack on institutions that should derive their authority from the public when all it allows is for the public to give their authority to an individual piece of legislation is fundamentally wrong. Don't buy into that fallacy. Let's pass this bill and give the people their choice. |
via Thaecia | The WA Delegate of Rayekka | This UC has received unanimous consent from the Senate. Author: Brototh, Islonia Sponsor: The Ambis An Act to fix my mistakes Preamble. Amends LR 059 Article II to read as follows,
Amends LR 059 Article V; amends any applicable numbers as appropriate. Section I - Should the Minister of Defense be found to have failed to inform the Senate, they shall be guilty of having committed an offence at the level of a Felony, as defined by LR 044, and should be punished in the same manner. Provided that the Prime Minister knew of the operation, and vice versa, they shall be considered complicit in this and shall be punished in the same manner. Adds LR 059 Article I Section V, Section V - At the Minister of Defense's pleasure, their title may alternate to Minister of Defence. |
via Thaecia | The WA Delegate of Rayekka | Thank you for your statement, Senator. If I am honest I am not a fan of this bill. I was intrigued to see other members thoughts and they appear to be similar to mine thus far. I feel this bill complicates things. We already have a petition system and recall system in place. Why complicate it further? After all, citizens can come to any legislator to get a bill sponsored. If no-one sponsors it or Congress votes against it, it’s the citizens right to vote for someone who will pass it. I feel this just adds bureaucracy that will hardly be used. |
via Thaecia | The Republic of Democratized Peoples | It's hard to see how legislation that does not add any governmental positions and the only work involved at all if it it passed will be the EC running a referendum on occasion adds any significant amount of "bureaucracy" to our region. It doesn't even complicate things, bills will continue to be passed, 95% of the time, by our normal process. Congress will go on just as before. This bill does not add bureaucracy and it does not complicate things. It adds another path for bills to become law if the Citizenry wishes them to. It's that simple. I get ideological objections to this bill, I find them to be a little bit self serving but I understand them, but a suggestion that a two line change to our Constitution that perfectly fits within the framework of governmental staff we have now is not an example of the ever-expanding bureaucracy. |
via Thaecia | The WA Delegate of Rayekka | We are now voting on the 'Citizen Initiative Amendment'. Author: Democratized Peoples Sponsors: Democratized Peoples Seeking to empower the people to initiate changes to Thaecian law; Section I - Article I Section II of the Constitution shall be amended to read the following: Section I - The following section shall be added to Article IV of the Constitution following Section IV with subsequent sections being renumbered accordingly: I will be abstaining. |
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