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The Republic of Marvinville

Lothern wrote:It literally says, TG the EC if you are resigning from an elected position, which would be congress, or the PM if you are resigning from a non-elected position. I don't understand what you are trying to say. You are correct, the PM doesn't have anything to do with congress resignations, so people resigning from congress TG the EC. It literally takes 5 seconds to do this, what do you mean unnecessary bureaucracy? This is a confirmation step so that there can be NO confusion on when someone is joking about resigning and actually resigning. I'm not asking them to jump through 30 legal hoops, it's literally just a copy-paste message to an official. Literally anyone can do these simple steps.

The court has already ruled on this matter and the process is clear in its current form. With all the recent resignations, and yes we have had a lot of them, we have had absolutely no issue with confirming them on the rmbs. So why do we even need them to telegram the EC? Also what if they fail to telegram the EC? Does that mean they will still hold their position even if they post their resignation on the rmb?

Lastly, allowing someone to rescind their resignation is a horrible idea. If you resign, you resign. Thats it.



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Lothern

Marvinville wrote:The court has already ruled on this matter and the process is clear in its current form. With all the recent resignations, and yes we have had a lot of them, we have had absolutely no issue with confirming them on the rmbs. So why do we even need them to telegram the EC? Also what if they fail to telegram the EC? Does that mean they will still hold their position even if they post their resignation on the rmb?

Lastly, allowing someone to rescind their resignation is a horrible idea. If you resign, you resign. Thats it.

I understand the court already ruled on the matter. That's why the bill is named "The Resignation Formalization Act" and not the "Resignation Act". Yes, not TG'ing the EC would mean the resignation was invalid. If they do not fix that issue and forgo their duties, they would be in dereliction of their duties. If that is your only disliking of the bill, feel free to amend that tiny part. Don't block the bill as a whole.

I believe that allowing people time to rescind their resignation is a good idea. Emotions can get the best of people, we are all human, and I believe we should allow people the chance to rescind their resignation.

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The Republic of Marvinville

Lothern wrote:I understand the court already ruled on the matter. That's why the bill is named "The Resignation Formalization Act" and not the "Resignation Act". Yes, not TG'ing the EC would mean the resignation was invalid. If they do not fix that issue and forgo their duties, they would be in dereliction of their duties. If that is your only disliking of the bill, feel free to amend that tiny part. Don't block the bill as a whole.

I believe that allowing people time to rescind their resignation is a good idea. Emotions can get the best of people, we are all human, and I believe we should allow people the chance to rescind their resignation.

But this bill makes the process much more bureaucratic, as I already stated, and it also goes against the court ruling since the court said that you can not rescind resignations. This bill overall makes the process much more complex than it needs to be

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Lothern

Marvinville wrote:But this bill makes the process much more bureaucratic, as I already stated, and it also goes against the court ruling since the court said that you can not rescind resignations. This bill overall makes the process much more complex than it needs to be

Are you seriously telling me right now that copy-pasting a message into a telegram that literally takes less than 30 seconds is making it "much more bureaucratic" and "much more complex". Do you not find any irony in this? TG's take literally less than a minute to do. It's crazy to me to try and say that requiring this makes it too hard to resign. I will not be debating any further and hope the senators review these messages and the debates held in the house about this bill and have debates of their own.

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The Republic of Marvinville

Lothern wrote:Are you seriously telling me right now that copy-pasting a message into a telegram that literally takes less than 30 seconds is making it "much more bureaucratic" and "much more complex". Do you not find any irony in this? TG's take literally less than a minute to do. It's crazy to me to try and say that requiring this makes it too hard to resign. I will not be debating any further and hope the senators review these messages and the debates held in the house about this bill and have debates of their own.

well if you seriously look at the extra procedures added to the resignation process than what we currently have, then obviously you will see that it is more bureaucratic.

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Solittus

This section makes no sense to me:

"1. The employer is allowed to immediately dismiss the resignee during said twenty-four (24) hours period."

I don't see why this needs to be included, there's nothing stipulating this can't happen and it de facto happens anyway. It's unecessary.

I also agree with Marvinville. It's completely unecessary to have to telegram the EC/PM when you resign. Some may argue that these are preventative measures, but to my knowledge, nothing has happened in the past to make this amendment necessary. Just posting the resignation on the RMB is satisfactory and the fact that resignations take effect after 24 hours anyway is enough of a safety measure anyway.

In this current state, I won't be voting in favour of the bill.

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The Kingdom of Brototh

MPs: Pass something that the Senate does not like
Senate: Rejects the bill
MPs: OMG WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A SENATE!!!!!

Checks and balances anyone? The whole point of the Senate is to scrutinise legislation- they are not your rubber stamp. They are meant to disagree with you and disagree with you hard. Otherwise the House would be passing terrible legislation all the time, and vice versa. That is the very point of having two chambers. If you can't understand that, then the bill definitely should not pass

Marvinville, Santa Marana, and Solittus

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Gifty

This section seems rather problematic, and I am inclined to agree with Solittus.

"1. The employer is allowed to immediately dismiss the resignee during said twenty-four (24) hours period."

Especially when you say that peoples emotions can get the better of them. So for example in a fit of emotion I resign, then change my mind once I had calmed down an hour later my fate relies on someone who has the power to just dismiss me at a whim for the next 24 hours?

Also honestly I do not see the need to have to message specific people in the event of resignation If you resign through the RMB shouldn't that be enough? I mean even resigning through the discord should be acceptable depending on the preferences.

At this time I will also not be voting in favour of the bill.



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Gifty

As the bill has been up for debate for nearly 48 hours, I would like to suggest we move to voting at this time.

I will open by voting nay. (edited formatting error)

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Solittus

Nay

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The Republic of Marvinville

Nay

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Saltmore

Abstain

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The Raider named Steak😎 of Snowflame

Nay

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The Future Vice Delegate of Sevae

nay

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The Raider named Steak😎 of Snowflame

Voting has now closed. On the question of whether to pass the bill, the results are as follows:
The ayes are 0, the nays are 5, the abstains are 7. The bill has failed.

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The Raider named Steak😎 of Snowflame

We will now begin debating the following bill:

Positions Restrictions Deregulation Act (2022)
An Act to modernise and deregulate positions restrictions for the government.
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Authors: Brototh, Islonia
Amended By: The Ambis, Lukaymmunki, Brototh
Sponsors: Of altonianic islands
PREAMBLE
Noting the need for deregulated positions restrictions in order to allow the various positions of Thaecia to be occupied,

Congress hereby agrees,


Amends LR 048, replacing the entire text of the legislative resolution with the following:
  • Section I - There shall be three categories of positions, in descending order: A, B, and C.

  • Section II - Nations cannot hold positions in the same Category as their own; nations in Category A additionally cannot hold positions in Categories below their own.

    • Section IIa - Positions in higher categories take precedent in deciding whether or not a nation is allowed to be the rightful holder of an office.

  • Section III - The composition of Category A shall be as follows:

    • Prime Minister

    • Chief/Associate Justice

    • Electoral Commissioner

  • Section IV - The composition of Category B shall be as follows:

    • Minister

    • Chamber Leader

    • World Assembly Delegate

    • Deputy Justice

  • Section V - The composition of Category C shall be as follows:

    • Member of Parliament

    • Senator

  • Section I - The Minister of Defence shall be exempt from the restriction of not being able to hold multiple ministerial offices at once. Ministers may hold lesser ministerial roles in other ministries.

  • Section II - Ministers and Deputy Justices shall be exempt from the restriction of not being able to hold those offices at the same time.

  • Section III - The position of Leader of the Assembly (ASL) shall be exempt from all not be considered as part of any restrictions specific to Chamber Leaders that are laidout in this bill.

  • Section IV - Neither Vice Delegates nor Deputy Prime Ministers may serve as Chamber Leaders.

  • Section I - Should a nation be found to be in violation of this Act, they shall resign from offices that put them in violation until they are no longer in violation, they may choose which offices to resign from, so long as the end result is them no longer being in violation of the restrictions set by this Act.

  • Section II - If they fail to do so within three (3) days, they shall automatically resign from any offices that put them in breach of this law, starting with offices they entered first, until they are no longer in violation.

  • Section I - The passage of this bill constitutes the repeal of L.R. 004 Position Restrictions Act (2019).

  • Section II - Upon the passage of this bill, any nations in violation of this Act that took office beforehand, shall be exempt from any restrictions to those positions, until the conclusion of the next regularly scheduled general election, upon which this section shall be declared null and void, and must be removed.

Read dispatch

I encourage all senators to read the bill and discuss their thoughts on the RMB.

Angypt
Snowflame
Marvinville
Saltmore
Sevae
Gifty
Solittus

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Solittus

I think this a much better solution to one that is currently legislated for and should go some way to ensuring all our roles are filled.

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Gifty

I think this is good and fills the space much better than our current legislation as Solittus has stated.
I can't see any reason to pick at this.

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The Raider named Steak😎 of Snowflame

Since there is a lack of debate, we will now begin voting on the bill.

Angypt
Snowflame
Marvinville
Saltmore
Sevae
Gifty
Solittus

I will be voting aye

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Solittus

Aye

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Gifty

Aye

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The Republic of Marvinville

Aye

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The Kingdom of Angypt

Aye

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The Raider named Steak😎 of Snowflame

Voting has now ended. On the question of whether to pass the bill, the results are as follows: The ayes are 5, the nays are 0, the abstains are 2. The bill has passed the Senate and thus, both chambers of Congress

Brototh

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The Raider named Steak😎 of Snowflame

We will begin our next order of business:


S.B. Congressional Internship Act (2022)

An Act to establish Congressional Internships.
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-- Written by Snowflame, Brototh --
--As Amended by:
Marvinville, Solittus, Lukaymmunki

-- Sponsored by: Marvinville --

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Understanding that there are a lack of opportunities in Congress for newcomers or other Thaecians after an election, hereby enacts the following:

Congress hereby agrees,

  • Section I - Any MP is allowed to hire one intern.

    Section II - An intern is restricted to one chamber of Congress.

    Section III - An intern may not be a Member of Congress or the Prime Minister.

  • Section I - MP's can post applications for those interested in being a Congressional intern for the preferred chamber of Congress.

  • Section II - The respective member of Congress must inform their Chamber Leader upon the appointment, resignation or dismissal of an intern.

  • Section III - The applications will ask the following:

    • 1. What is your Thaecian nation name?

    • 2. Why do you want to be an intern?

    • 3. Are there any policy ideas that you feel enthusiastic about?

    • 4. Are there any goals you hope to accomplish while in Thaecia?

  • Section I - The Chamber Leader will maintain a factbook listing the current interns. This dispatch will be made readily avaliable on the Chamber's site page.

  • Section II - Each intern is required to maintain a factbook listing how they would have voted for certain bills if they were Members of Congress, and can provide arguments in the factbook as to why if they so choose.

    • Section IIa - Interns will be allowed to post this factbook once on the Chamber's RMB. They must not engage in active bill debate on the RMB and can only post their thoughts on the text of the current bill in question in their factbook.

  • Section I - Interns can be fired by their respective congressperson for any reason.

    • Section Ia - Interns can be fired by their respective Chamber Leader for breaking Thaecian law or breaking Congressional rules.

  • Section II - Interns cannot be fired for having a different voting opinion on issues than the Speaker or Chair.

Read dispatch

I encourage all senators to discuss the bill and provide their thoughts.

Angypt
Snowflame
Marvinville
Saltmore
Sevae
Gifty
Solittus

I am happy to see that all parties support the idea of internships. I agree with the final product and I am planning on voting aye.

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