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Thiranaedh wrote:

The Imperium's decision to remove the Thirana delegate shows that their summit is an exclusionary affair where some stakeholders are refused on categorically arbitrary grounds. The "any other Meilluran state" and "all stakeholder" bits of their invitation are invalid, and the Caesaran State should be ashamed to retract their invitation, which quite obviously applied to Thiranaedh's delegate as well. It asks other states in Meillur to see the talks for what they are: an illegitimate cartel, where nations with direct interests are excluded on unfounded and unexplained grounds, serving as a disguise to mask the Imperium's illegitimate grabs for power in south-west Meillur.

Thiranaedh demands that the poor dustman, who had already gotten on a fisherman's trawler headed towards Contantinople, receive a full and official apology from the Caesaran Head of State.

It also remarks that it is fully willing to attend any diplomatic talks, should the rest of the continent regard them to be necessary. However, Thiranaedh recognises that the Caesaran State is a threat to the security of all Meilluran states, and that such talks should only include Meilluran nations, as those talks only concern Meilluran affairs.

Thiranaedh regrets that their neighbours to the south have become so soft as to whine over something as benign as a sail-by salute. Many Okhéiæ in the nation's capital remark that the nation they once had a long-standing rivalry with has mellowed to the point that they degrade the memory of their ancestors by "crying their eyes out" over a subject most of the continent simply shrugs at. Furthermore, it shows the fact that Lejiran politicians think they know better than military officers in the field, which in and of itself shows that their nation's moral fibre has decayed to a point of great embarassment.

General Okhéia sentiments show appreciation for the HRS Adversary's captain's decision to salute their coast guard, but there has not been an official government response from Bælakfèr. To Thiranaedh's government, the sail-by salute simply did not happen. Thiranaedh is a neutral and independent state, and merely did what it had to do to protect its territorial waters. It is more than content to remain as it is now, and doesn't feel the need to align itself with any other power, knowing that alliance politics like this will only add fuel to the flames ignited by the Caesaran State and their lackies in Lejira.

Finally, the Okhéiæ claim that Lejira's softness can also be observed in their needlessly-long communiqué over, again, a handful of military vessels doing nothing wrong at all. Thiranaedh's response is short and crisp: "Aymon and his illegitimate, harsh regime have no right to point fingers." he declares, referring to Lejira's autocratic and inhumane government and its history of human rights abuses.

Lejira

Everyday that King Aymon IX spends on diplomacy, the yes likely he is to actually achieve his goals.

Imperia in Meillur wrote:

Would any of them be willing to move to Imperia? If they marry an Imperial Prince they would receive an Arch/Grand ducal title as well as the Imperial Style and title. The Children of an Emperor (including Empress Julia I Augusta's Brothers) also have the additional title of Caesar and rights to extensive Imperial Estates and are often called up for Military, Diplomatic, and Administrative Mandates and so they have a lot of political power and influence. And the Caesarean Dynasty has extensive wealth (The treasure fleet for Zeida) and the Royal House of Reissany would be considered members of the Imperial Clan by marriage and so Imperia would be obliged to assist the Reissans in Military, Economic, and Political Matters when called.

How old are the Imperial Princes?

Prince Andronikos, The Archduke Thrakia (Thrace) => 27 (Grandson of Emperor Augustus II)
Prince Justinian Caesar, Prince Morea => 24 (Son of Late Emperor Constantine XII)
Prince Marcus Caesa, Prince Lazica => 22 (Son of Late Emperor Constantine XII)
Prince Tiberius Caesar, Prince Epirus => 20 (Son of Late Emperor Constantine XII)
Prince Caius of Nicomedia => 24 (Son of Prince Constantine, Archduke of Nicomedia and Princess Cassandra and the Archduchess of Nicomedia, Nephew of the Late Emperor Constantine XVI)
Prince Lucius => 20
Prince Michael =>19
Prince Alexander (Alexios) of Athens => 20

Imperia in Meillur wrote:

Prince Andronikos, The Archduke Thrakia (Thrace) => 27 (Grandson of Emperor Augustus II)
Prince Justinian Caesar, Prince Morea => 24 (Son of Late Emperor Constantine XII)
Prince Marcus Caesa, Prince Lazica => 22 (Son of Late Emperor Constantine XII)
Prince Tiberius Caesar, Prince Epirus => 20 (Son of Late Emperor Constantine XII)
Prince Caius of Nicomedia => 24 (Son of Prince Constantine, Archduke of Nicomedia and Princess Cassandra and the Archduchess of Nicomedia, Nephew of the Late Emperor Constantine XVI)
Prince Lucius => 20
Prince Michael =>19
Prince Alexander (Alexios) of Athens => 20

Which ones are the Empress’s brothers?

Hospean Border Islands wrote:

The way the Hospean monarchy works is that in theory it's elective with four ducal houses that can offer up leaders but in practice, it's been one house, The Fairbanks all the way because the other houses hate each other too much to vote another house.

But marrying the heir of one of these houses guarantees you get a bit of sovereign territory and a percentage of the GDP so I'll put them slightly ahead of regular Dukes. Does that change anything?

Well, then. I bet they're not even that pretty.

Nothing personal, just politics

The Monarchs of Imperia:

Imperator Caesar Iustinianus III Augustus, Imperator Caesar et Autokrator Romanorum et Imperator Imperiae, Rex de Reges
Greek: (Αυτοκράτορας Καίσαρας Ιουστινιανός III Αύγουστος, Αυτοκράτορας Καίσαρας και Αυτοκράτορας των Ρωμαίων και Αυτοκράτορας της Ιμπερίας, Βασιλιάς των Βασιλέων)
English: Emperor Justinian III, Emperor and Autocrat of the Romans and Emperor of Imperia, King of Kings

Imperator Caesar Augustus II, Imperator Caesar et Autokrator Romanorum et Imperator Imperiae, Rex de Reges
Greek: (Αυτοκράτορας Καίσαρας Αύγουστος II, Αυτοκράτορας Καίσαρας και Αυτοκράτορας των Ρωμαίων και Αυτοκράτορας της Ιμπερίας, Βασιλιάς των Βασιλέων)
English: Emperor Augustus II, Emperor and Autocrat of the Romans and Emperor of Imperia, King of Kings

Imperator Caesar Constantinus XII Augustus, Imperator Caesar et Autokrator Romanorum et Imperator Imperiae, Rex de Reges
Greek: (Αυτοκράτορας Καίσαρας Κωνσταντίνος XII Αύγουστος, Αυτοκράτορας Καίσαρας και Αυτοκράτορας των Ρωμαίων και Αυτοκράτορας της Ιμπερίας, Βασιλιάς των Βασιλέων)
English: Emperor Constantine XII, Emperor and Autocrat of the Romans and Emperor of Imperia, King of Kings

Imperatrix Caesarina Julia I Augusta, Imperatrix Caesarina et Autokratrix Romanorum et Imperatrix Imperiae, Regina de Reges
Greek: (Αυτοκράτειρα Καισαρίνα Τζούλια I Αουγκούστα, Αυτοκράτειρα Καισαρίνα και Αυτοκράτορας των Ρωμαίων και Αυτοκράτειρα της Ιμπερίας, Βασίλισσα των Βασιλέων)
English: Empress Julia I, Empress and Autocrat of the Romans and Empress of Imperia, Queen of Kings

Riessany wrote:

Which ones are the Empress’s brothers?

The ones who are sons of Emperor Constantine XII.

Imperia in Meillur wrote:

The ones who are sons of Emperor Constantine XII.

In that case, King Berengar I would like to suggest a marriage pact with Empress Julia I between his third sister, Princess Alara Maranyon and her third brother, Prince Tiberius Caesar, Prince of Epirus.

The Empress Great-Grandmother, Empress Theodora Caesarina accepts King Berengar's suggestion. (The Empress Great-Grandmother is the De Facto and De Jure head of the Imperial Clan.)

Imperia in Meillur wrote:

The Empress Great-Grandmother, Empress Theodora Caesarina accepts King Berengar's suggestion.

The empress’s great-grandmother is still alive? Jeez.

Riessany wrote:

The empress’s great-grandmother is still alive? Jeez.

Yep, she was sorta in a self-imposed exile for a while, living in a villa by the Aegean Sea and letting the Empress Grandmother run the show, until the whole Prince Marcus and Boguila situation, then she came knocking on the palace doors with her sunglasses and Louis Vuitton to show everyone who's really boss.

Imperia in Meillur wrote:

Yep, she was sorta in a self-imposed exile for a while, living in a villa by the Aegean Sea and letting the Empress Grandmother run the show, until the whole Prince Marcus and Boguila situation, then she came knocking on the paca e doors with her sunglasses and Louis Vuitton to show everyone who's really boss.

How is she doing thus far?

Riessany wrote:

How is she doing thus far?

Active and running the show.

The Riessans would see the fact that a successive number of women of increasingly old age are the ones in charge of the Imperian government as weak, given the patriarchal stigma that runs through the culture.

But there is something impressive abound being able to still grab the reigns of power in one’s winter.

Riessany wrote:

The Riessans would see the fact that a successive number of women of increasingly old age are the ones in charge of the Imperian government as weak, given the patriarchal stigma that runs through the culture.

But there is something impressive abound being able to still grab the reigns of power in one’s winter.

The Empress Great Grandmother is 74
The Empress Dowager is 55
and the Empress mother is 46

They're not in charge of the Governments, that the Prime Minister/President of the Imperium, They do however dominate High Society and the Imperial Clan and have the Keays to the Caesarean Dynasty's $4 Trillion net worth of assets so through that they are able to throw their weight in Imperian Politics, that and they also take up some of the Empress's work such as issuing Imperial Rescripts and reading reports from Imperial Representatives in the Provinces.

And taking from the Ottomans, Former Empress-Consorts, especially the Empress Mother may intervene directly in Political Affairs by exercising the right of observation: Sitting in Cabinet Meetings and observing parliament from a private screened gallery. They are also by default, Councillors of State and can assume the title of Regent of the Empire if needed.

Imperia in Meillur wrote:

And taking from the Ottomans, Former Empress-Consorts, especially the Empress Mother may intervene directly in Political Affairs by exercising the right of observation: Sitting in Cabinet Meetings and observing parliament from a private screened gallery. They are also by default, Councillors of State and can assume the title of Regent of the Empire if needed.

Far too much power for the Riessans’ liking.

Riessany wrote:

Far too much power for the Riessans’ liking.

Has Riessany had a female Monarch?

Imperia in Meillur wrote:

Has Riessany had a female Monarch?

Once, and it was a disaster that lead to decades of civil war

Riessany wrote:

Once, and it was a disaster that lead to decades of civil war

All previous Roman Empresses were deposed, Julia is the 4rth Empress-Regnant of the Romans.

Imarati wrote:

Thiranaedh

Given the recent coming of light of the policies of the Thiranae government, along with their recent actions, Colonel Elenadze must reject the invitation to visit.

The archprince is a tad perplexed at the suggestion that his policies just recently "came to light" - Thiranaedh has had these socio-cultural institutions for a thousand years and longer. In an uncharacteristically courteous private response to the colonel, the archprince graciously accepts the Imaratian's decision not to come visit Thiranaedh. He shows regret at the fact that Giorgi Elanadze would believe the exaggerated and slanderous reports of human rights abuses instead of coming to see Thiranaedh's splendor, beauty, and wonderful society with his own eyes. The archprince reassures him that he will always be welcome at court in Bælâkfèr, and wishes him all the best in his endeavors.

Those who know about the archprince's private correspondence with the colonel believe that the current head of state of Thiranaedh is unwilling to antagonise Elanadze, whom he supposedly believes might be used to topple the current pro-Genes regime. Whether or not the archprince's intentions would be fruitful in any way, shape or form is anyone's best guess.

Imperatrix mortua est. Vivat Imperator! (The Empress is dead. Long live the Emperor!)

Thiranaedh wrote:

No person should live to see 74. Thiranaedh is proud of sustaining a population of young men and women that live to the zenith of their physical ability, and die a heroic death not long after. The fact that these heroic deaths are often found in family feuds, armed duels, mercenary service abroad or childbirth is seen as a secondary concern.

The Predosas would oddly not be out of place here as a centuries-old clan of mercenaries with their moments of family duels and deaths.

[quote]Thiranaedh is a nation where heterosexuality and monogamy typically aren't the norm - monogamous unions have always occupied a prominent place in Okhéia society, but the country relies on a vast network of non-monogamous relations to keep its fertility rate higher than its death rate. When compared to many other countries, the Okhéiæ tend to get a lot of freedom to choose whom they sleep with, man or woman, which is a homage to the nation's unorthodox pagan culture in an otherwise somewhat restrictive state. The archprince would like to know more about Riessan gender roles, and invites that nation's leading cultural figures, as well as those of other Meilluran states to create a cross-cultural dialogue to establish whether there might be possible to reach regional common ground on women's rights, among other topics.[/quote]

…up until this point. Having an apparently unbreakable sense of duty, and seeing marriage as a dutiful act, they have been historically passionate monogamists. And are pretty rigorous in gender-roles.

Thiranaedh wrote:

No person should live to see 74. Thiranaedh is proud of sustaining a population of young men and women that live to the zenith of their physical ability, and die a heroic death not long after. The fact that these heroic deaths are often found in family feuds, armed duels, mercenary service abroad or childbirth is seen as a secondary concern.

The perceived widespread sexism and misogyny in Riessan society is a subject that has weighed on the archprince's mind as of late, and though he has had a hard time to give it much thought with the barrage of what we now know to be vapid threats against the sovereignty of his country, he hopes to learn more about Riessan gender roles. Thiranaedh is a nation where heterosexuality and monogamy typically aren't the norm - monogamous unions have always occupied a prominent place in Okhéia society, but the country relies on a vast network of non-monogamous relations to keep its fertility rate higher than its death rate. When compared to many other countries, the Okhéiæ tend to get a lot of freedom to choose whom they sleep with, man or woman, which is a homage to the nation's unorthodox pagan culture in an otherwise somewhat restrictive state.

The archprince would like to know more about Riessan gender roles, and invites that nation's leading cultural figures, as well as those of other Meilluran states to create a cross-cultural dialogue to establish whether there might be possible to reach regional common ground on women's rights, among other topics.

Riessan reactionary ideas comes in waves. Back in the 1930s Riessany had some of the most liberal laws on gender roles and sexuality— but then there was a major conservative backlash. A similar turn towards liberalism and then backlash occurred in the 1980s.

Augustus I really rebuilt that glass ceiling after ascending to the throne.

King Berengar has taken something of a behind closed door policy. As long as the strong, hyper masculine heteronormative patriarchal system is upheld in public, you can do as you wish behind closed doors.

This is mostly a social aspect, not a legal one, with most of the repressive legal enforcements having been done away with, though the limits on women to ascending to the throne were a more recent addition.