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The Armed Commonwealth of Midland South States

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The Republic of Hock22

Sklavopoli wrote:Indeed, it wasn't a blowout, though it's a sign of bad things to come presuming the Dems don't shape up, especially since everyone was convinced that Trump couldn't possibly win the popular vote, a feat the Reps haven't achieved for 20 years. Trump was about as close to winning Illinois this election as Biden was close to winning Ohio/Iowa in 2020. That is terrifying. I think this will also be the Dems' worst showing in the Electoral College/popular vote margin of defeat of the century (not that there's a terrible number of elections to compare it to. Hopefully this is their wakeup call to drift toward left-wing populism, which will diffuse the uniquely anti-establishment character of Trump's campaign.

Thing is, vanilla left-wing populism has been rejected by the Democratic electorate twice now, let alone the general electorate. And both times it was a pretty tame version. We’re in a country that has a strong inherent bias against left-wing populism, as much as the internet makes it seem that’s not the case. Personally think this is actually going to entail a rightward shift, particularly on social issues, even if that means just a more neutral stance. A major change is likely going to be about immigration, and we already saw that happen to a degree. The big issue would be packaging a left-wing populist economic agenda that doesn’t get labeled as socialist, as “socialism bad” does sell very well.

The Republic of Hock22

Midland South States wrote:dems tack to the right in the last moment and it's my fault for not voting for harris in a winner take all conservative state

No need to get defensive, not a personal attack. Just a point of discussion

The Politeia of Sklavopoli

Hock22 wrote:Thing is, vanilla left-wing populism has been rejected by the Democratic electorate twice now, let alone the general electorate. And both times it was a pretty tame version. We’re in a country that has a strong inherent bias against left-wing populism, as much as the internet makes it seem that’s not the case. Personally think this is actually going to entail a rightward shift, particularly on social issues, even if that means just a more neutral stance. A major change is likely going to be about immigration, and we already saw that happen to a degree. The big issue would be packaging a left-wing populist economic agenda that doesn’t get labeled as socialist, as “socialism bad” does sell very well.

I think on social issues the Dems just need to tone it down.

Don't hammer Trump being a racist or a fascist, let his inane statements speak for themselves.

Don't abandon feminism or LGBT folk, just don't push their struggles to the forefront of the conversation since Americans across all demographics are hurting.

I feel like Bernie lost in 2016 in part because Americans still weren't entirely smitten by populism and because Clinton, Biden, and establishment Dems were backed by African-Americans and socially conservative Democratic whites. But if African-Americans and minorities are breaking away from the party, and if populist Dems temper their approach to social issues, it'll be interesting to see how that turns out.

Also I think populists should reconsider the "socialism is 20th century Americanism" we saw out of the left in rhe early 1900s. A nationalistic wave is covering America and clearly amongst more people than whites. If left wing populism is couched in patriotism, that would be a strong counter to red baiting.

The Republic of Hock22

Sklavopoli wrote:I think on social issues the Dems just need to tone it down.

Don't hammer Trump being a racist or a fascist, let his inane statements speak for themselves.

Don't abandon feminism or LGBT folk, just don't push their struggles to the forefront of the conversation since Americans across all demographics are hurting.

I feel like Bernie lost in 2016 in part because Americans still weren't entirely smitten by populism and because Clinton, Biden, and establishment Dems were backed by African-Americans and socially conservative Democratic whites. But if African-Americans and minorities are breaking away from the party, and if populist Dems temper their approach to social issues, it'll be interesting to see how that turns out.

Also I think populists should reconsider the "socialism is 20th century Americanism" we saw out of the left in rhe early 1900s. A nationalistic wave is covering America and clearly amongst more people than whites. If left wing populism is couched in patriotism, that would be a strong counter to red baiting.

Patriotcare
Patriot Security
Patriotcaid
Affordable Patriot Care Act
Late-Term Patriot Preorder Cancellation
LGBTQI Patriot Alliance
Patriots Who Menstruate
Illegal Patriots

The Politeia of Sklavopoli

Hock22 wrote:Patriotcare
Patriot Security
Patriotcaid
Affordable Patriot Care Act
Late-Term Patriot Preorder Cancellation
LGBTQI Patriot Alliance
Patriots Who Menstruate
Illegal Patriots

Exactly! After all, only a communist would oppose the Affordable Patriot Care Act

The Kingdom of Kathmandue

Sklavopoli wrote:Exactly! After all, only a communist would oppose the Affordable Patriot Care Act

Apple Pie Communism fr

The Ladder in the Pool of Life of EstRADia

Sklavopoli wrote:Exactly! After all, only a communist would oppose the Affordable Patriot Care Act

honestly itd probably work. if dems could shake their america-hating persona theyd pobably win folks back. i mean reagan kinda sucked but he had the patriotism down



The Republic of Hock22

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-> Upper management gets frustrated because the hours the see at the top level are never accurate and often inflated
-> Implement new time-tracking system at the work-item level, no timesheets, no minimum number of hours, no need to track work that isn't directly related to a work item
-> VP gets frustrated because the new hours seem "low", fails to understand how much non-trackable admin work everyone has to do every week
-> Implements a minimum number of tracked hours every week
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-> Me tracking time of 'rolling my eyes' against my current development user story

The Ladder in the Pool of Life of EstRADia

Midland South States wrote:dems tack to the right in the last moment and it's my fault for not voting for harris in a winner take all conservative state

Biden told me specifically that all of this was your fault MSS I hope you know that. He was crying into his butter pecan icecream.

The Fourth Harbringer of Tracian Empire

Midland South States wrote:dems tack to the right in the last moment and it's my fault for not voting for harris in a winner take all conservative state

Yes

The 𝛀𝚽𝚯 of Cekan

Sklavopoli wrote:I think on social issues the Dems just need to tone it down.

Don't hammer Trump being a racist or a fascist, let his inane statements speak for themselves.

Don't abandon feminism or LGBT folk, just don't push their struggles to the forefront of the conversation since Americans across all demographics are hurting.

I feel like Bernie lost in 2016 in part because Americans still weren't entirely smitten by populism and because Clinton, Biden, and establishment Dems were backed by African-Americans and socially conservative Democratic whites. But if African-Americans and minorities are breaking away from the party, and if populist Dems temper their approach to social issues, it'll be interesting to see how that turns out.

Also I think populists should reconsider the "socialism is 20th century Americanism" we saw out of the left in rhe early 1900s. A nationalistic wave is covering America and clearly amongst more people than whites. If left wing populism is couched in patriotism, that would be a strong counter to red baiting.

And start more actively discouraging the idiotic stuff that the liberals keep coming up with like defund the police, America bad, or the stupid obsession with categorizing everyone into a category like “victim” or “oppressor” based solely on their race/gender/sexual orientation. Honestly, just stop obsessing over race and gender as a whole so much. It’s patronizing to minorities and distances you from the majority.

The Republic of Hock22

EstRADia wrote:Biden told me specifically that all of this was your fault MSS I hope you know that. He was crying into his butter pecan icecream.

Dems are kinda tearing each other (mostly into Biden), and honestly I don't blame them. With every passing day since the election and the more I process it, I just realize more and more he put his pride before the nation. I think Pelosi is also part of the long-term issues, but she is very spot on with her criticisms of him.



The Republic of Hock22

Cekan wrote:And start more actively discouraging the idiotic stuff that the liberals keep coming up with like defund the police, America bad, or the stupid obsession with categorizing everyone into a category like “victim” or “oppressor” based solely on their race/gender/sexual orientation. Honestly, just stop obsessing over race and gender as a whole so much. It’s patronizing to minorities and distances you from the majority.

As someone who's irl friends and family are mostly independents and moderate (formerly) Republicans, this is the type of stuff that alienates them the most, particularly the first part. Most of them are modestly supportive of police reform and social issues for LGBT people, but have been pretty put off by how extreme some of this stuff has gotten. My sister constantly talks about how unsafe Philadelphia where she lives has become, and literally had hundreds of people at a car meetup outside her house doing burnouts and drifting in the street and firing guns in the air. It took the police 1hr and 45 minutes to even show up due to staffing shortages. She voted Kamala because she detests trump, but I can tell she absolutely would've voted Republican if a more palatable candidate running a pro-law enforcement platform was an option.

Police reform is important, but people need to feel safe in their homes and on the streets, or fear is going to color their voting choices, as it did this cycle.



The Politeia of Sklavopoli

Cekan wrote:And start more actively discouraging the idiotic stuff that the liberals keep coming up with like defund the police, America bad, or the stupid obsession with categorizing everyone into a category like “victim” or “oppressor” based solely on their race/gender/sexual orientation. Honestly, just stop obsessing over race and gender as a whole so much. It’s patronizing to minorities and distances you from the majority.

Yeah. I always found it annoying when libs retorted "When was America ever great??" to MAGA folks, even if I ultimately agreed with them more. Because I get it, America's history is drab and despicable, but the narrative of nationalism is a long way from being abolished, so for now, it's something people on the left really just need to roll with. Hearing people like Walz and Sanders speak make me proud to be an American, as does talking to people from around the world who still want to immigrate here and become citizens after all that's going on, so I think the Democrats really need to show how their platform/policies are actually more patriotic and "American" than the Republicans'. And they should offer their own vision of "Make American Great Again," and couch it in terms of fulfilling the Founders' vision of a nation that grants liberty and equity for all.

The Armed Commonwealth of Midland South States

EstRADia wrote:Biden told me specifically that all of this was your fault MSS I hope you know that. He was crying into his butter pecan icecream.

good, he deserves it, doddering old fool

The Armed Commonwealth of Midland South States

#macattacklookherefat

The Ladder in the Pool of Life of EstRADia

Hock22 wrote:As someone who's irl friends and family are mostly independents and moderate (formerly) Republicans, this is the type of stuff that alienates them the most, particularly the first part. Most of them are modestly supportive of police reform and social issues for LGBT people, but have been pretty put off by how extreme some of this stuff has gotten. My sister constantly talks about how unsafe Philadelphia where she lives has become, and literally had hundreds of people at a car meetup outside her house doing burnouts and drifting in the street and firing guns in the air. It took the police 1hr and 45 minutes to even show up due to staffing shortages. She voted Kamala because she detests trump, but I can tell she absolutely would've voted Republican if a more palatable candidate running a pro-law enforcement platform was an option.

Police reform is important, but people need to feel safe in their homes and on the streets, or fear is going to color their voting choices, as it did this cycle.

But that's kinda fuking sick thoo??? Your sister sounds lame asl.

The 𝛀𝚽𝚯 of Cekan

EstRADia wrote:But that's kinda fuking sick thoo??? Your sister sounds lame asl.

Yeah how could she resist wanting to live somewhere with such an exciting thriving vibrant culture?? 😍😍😍



The Republic of Hock22

EstRADia wrote:But that's kinda fuking sick thoo??? Your sister sounds lame asl.

I know this is in jest, but it was honestly terrifying. She was hysterically crying and barricading her door while trying to hide her 8 month old daughter in some part of the house with the most solid walls because there were people outside shooting pistols straight into the air and someone was waving a freaking flamethrower around.

Minute 1:00 is the footage of the event that happened 25 feet down the street from where she lived.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEYvHK8KV10

I love Philly and most of the time it's not like this, but the outgoing administration abandoned the city

The Ladder in the Pool of Life of EstRADia

Hock22 wrote:I know this is in jest, but it was honestly terrifying. She was hysterically crying and barricading her door while trying to hide her 8 month old daughter in some part of the house with the most solid walls because there were people outside shooting pistols straight into the air and someone was waving a freaking flamethrower around.

Minute 1:00 is the footage of the event that happened 25 feet down the street from where she lived.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEYvHK8KV10

I love Philly and most of the time it's not like this, but the outgoing administration abandoned the city

Ok MAYBE the guns is a little over the top but we wont get another fast and furious franchise in a nannystate.

The Kingdom of Kathmandue

Sklavopoli wrote:Yeah. I always found it annoying when libs retorted "When was America ever great??" to MAGA folks, even if I ultimately agreed with them more. Because I get it, America's history is drab and despicable, but the narrative of nationalism is a long way from being abolished, so for now, it's something people on the left really just need to roll with. Hearing people like Walz and Sanders speak make me proud to be an American, as does talking to people from around the world who still want to immigrate here and become citizens after all that's going on, so I think the Democrats really need to show how their platform/policies are actually more patriotic and "American" than the Republicans'. And they should offer their own vision of "Make American Great Again," and couch it in terms of fulfilling the Founders' vision of a nation that grants liberty and equity for all.

Either the Dems will learn or they won’t. I’m hoping it can be Walz’s game in 2028, or someone like him. I’m worried Shapiro will run, as he is aligned with the current leadership (and also served in the IDF). I remember recently seeing a clip of someone reading a script they wrote for SNL for Nate Bargatze, and it’s about how every country has a sh*tty history, and I found it rather poignant as I’ve also never agreed with all the libs who are “America bad”. Like yeah duh, but the Dutch never get sh*t and they did some awful things too. I think the rest of this decade is going to be rough because of Trump, and the Dems themselves will be partly to blame for his second term, but if the people in his first admin were stupid, the new people are likely dunces so we shall see how much they accomplish and if they do indeed crash the economy like they propose they will.

The 𝛀𝚽𝚯 of Cekan

Kathmandue wrote:Either the Dems will learn or they won’t. I’m hoping it can be Walz’s game in 2028, or someone like him. I’m worried Shapiro will run, as he is aligned with the current leadership (and also served in the IDF). I remember recently seeing a clip of someone reading a script they wrote for SNL for Nate Bargatze, and it’s about how every country has a sh*tty history, and I found it rather poignant as I’ve also never agreed with all the libs who are “America bad”. Like yeah duh, but the Dutch never get sh*t and they did some awful things too. I think the rest of this decade is going to be rough because of Trump, and the Dems themselves will be partly to blame for his second term, but if the people in his first admin were stupid, the new people are likely dunces so we shall see how much they accomplish and if they do indeed crash the economy like they propose they will.

I hope this election loss isn’t the end of Walz’s political career, that guy is exactly the kind of person I wish all of our politicians were. He and the DFL have done so many good things here in Minnesota over the past couple of years. He was too pure for America.

The Republic of Hock22

page=dispatch/id=485420

I keep having to get to the inwu through this stupid racing dispatch, as it's the only result returned by duckduckgo half the time.

Crumstain may you stub your toe 1000 times

The 𝛀𝚽𝚯 of Cekan

Hock22 wrote:page=dispatch/id=485420

I keep having to get to the inwu through this stupid racing dispatch, as it's the only result returned by duckduckgo half the time.

Crumstain may you stub your toe 1000 times

Could be worse, at least it’s not one of the Veyris factbooks

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