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The Federated Bailiwicks of Verdant Haven

Official Post from the Foreign Ministry

Keeping the government post train rolling today, please check your telegrams for extensive information about the new embassy poll that was posted today, about opening an embassy with the region of Thaecia. Their foreign minister Hulldom, present here in Forest as Hazel grove, has offered to field any additional questions you may have during the embassy voting process. Please check out the region, read the telegram, discuss your thoughts, and cast your vote!

Verdant Haven
Foreign Minister

Kawastyselir, Calenmor, Mount Seymour, Daarwyrth, and 11 othersAtsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, Simbolon, Lura, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Garbelia, Hazel grove, The most serene republicans, and Blue Nagia

Hazel grove

Verdant Haven wrote:Official Post from the Foreign Ministry

Keeping the government post train rolling today, please check your telegrams for extensive information about the new embassy poll that was posted today, about opening an embassy with the region of Thaecia. Their foreign minister Hulldom, present here in Forest as Hazel grove, has offered to field any additional questions you may have during the embassy voting process. Please check out the region, read the telegram, discuss your thoughts, and cast your vote!

Verdant Haven
Foreign Minister

Howdy everyone! Re-upping what Verdant Haven said. If you want to reach me very quickly (like within a few minutes) you can also feel free to TG Hulldom or DM me on Discord @AsquithsAngels#9419 as I'm also in the Forest server. Would love to hear from you all!

The Deep Ecosphere of Blue Nagia

Just wanna say, I'm pretty new to this game but I'm loving the transparency, honesty, and dedication to its ideals that Forest espouses and continues to espouse. You all are fantastic, and I'm proud to have Blue Nagia be a part of Forest.

Thaecia's application seems perfectly lovely! I particularly like that there's an environmental commitment in there, which could certainly lead our two regions to work closely together on matters of OOC and IC importance.

Verdant Haven, Alcantaria, Mount Seymour, Atsvea, and 12 othersRuinenlust, Lord Dominator, Uan aa Boa, Hoochlandia, Terrabod, Simbolon, The Teeth, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Garbelia, Difinbelk, and Hazel grove

The Tsardom of Lura

I've been thinking about becoming an ambassador for a while, and I like the look of Thaecia, so unless Hazel grove or some other native of the region would like it, I would like to offer myself to take the position, should the embassy vote pass.

Verdant Haven, Alcantaria, Mount Seymour, Daarwyrth, and 9 othersAtsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, Terrabod, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Garbelia, The most serene republicans, and Blue Nagia

The most serene republicans

I was working on a big worldbuilding thing for MSR

Like, it included a big visual revamp of a bunch of things, and a big shift in positions of a lot of political parties, which are how I determine the decisions I take for each issue.

I was very proud of it, too. The Communist Party monopolizing the left-wing while the other parties either shifted to the left or were forced to accept the succesful policies of the CPMSR was going to accidentally start a domestic ethno-nacionalist problem, and also eventually lead to the foundation of a solarpunk party opposing to that problem. I had almost all the lore planned. All in time for that moment when I ask you all to vote on a poll to help me decide how to conduct MSR for the next three months.

I lost all of it. The file is gone and it's already overwritten. I cannot recover the almost two hours total of work I put into it.

:):):):):) i know this is just a game but i'm mad still

The Equatorial Forests of Uan aa Boa

Hazel grove, you've clearly put considerable work into your embassy request. I'd like to ask what difference opening an embassy with Thaecia will actually make. We've had numerous past charm offensives from regions we've never heard from again after the poll (looking at you, Osiris, though there plenty more.) Apart from another name at the end of our embassy list what can we expect?

Verdant Haven, Mount Seymour, Daarwyrth, Atsvea, and 8 othersRuinenlust, Lord Dominator, Rivienland, Simbolon, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Garbelia, and Hazel grove



The Rewilding of Ruinenlust

.: Official Shamefulless World Assembly Plug Post :.

Dear Friends,

Continuing the parade of government posts (hehe...please don't hate me for banging on this drum again), I continue to be honored and humbled by all of the endorsements that you, the fine citizens of Forest, have seen fit to give me. As I recently expressed to Ransium in a telegram, it is really amazing how Forest seems to be continually on a trajectory of growth and of nations who see fit to engage with the region via their World Assembly status. As of this writing, you have given me a total of 114 endorsements, which often makes me one of the largest "smaller" delegates in the voting pie chart of resolutions. It is moreover wonderful that we have a high level of cross-endorsements within the community, as having dozens of nations with 60, 70, 80, etc. endorsements is very good for the accumulation of regional influence. In our new present and future situation as a Founderless region, it is very important for regional security that we maintain a high level of endorsements, and this is something that we are already doing wonderfully.

Having said that, (and since I haven't done this since some time in December), I'd like to humbly ask that the following nations consider endorsing me, since they have not yet done so. This is not meant to call anyone out or make you feel like you have to endorse me, because you absolutely don't have to. Yet, perhaps each of you would consider how each endorsement incrementally builds us up as a region, and how also extending your endorsement to many of our WA nations within the region only adds to the strength and internal cohesion of Forest. But seriously, no pressure:

Awhaiti Kaiatu
Bargage
Borgoui
East sand gulf
Esterild
Fartsniffage
Jamilkhuze
The groningen
Uiiop

And if YOU (other, non-WA nations) would like to get more involved in the life and community of the region, consider joining the WA and endorsing your fellow citizens (and me, lol). Who doesn't want to be part of the international conglomerate? (haha)

And above all, thank you again to everyone who has seen fit to endorse me. Please let me know, either by telegram or publicly on the RMB, how I can be a better delegate, and whether you would ever like me to vote for a proposal, or how to vote on a resolution that comes up for vote. I am always very grateful for input, and since I tend to not have strong feelings about things one way or the other, I am highly responsive to even a single request, in many instances.

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Also: I'd like to recognize Terrabod for their huge amount of work on our fantastic Flag Contest. There has been a tremendous amount of planning and collaboration behind the scenes, and it is obvious to me that Chan island has made excellent appointments for the Tenth Cabinet of Forest. Also, I'd like to point out that Verdant Haven has put more into the current embassy request at vote than I ever managed to as the no-longer-Eternal Foreign Minister. And of course, Kawastyselir continues to furnish us with the best of statistical information. Expect great things from Middle Barael in the future, as well. We are in very good hands, all around!

I hope that everyone has a good, relaxing weekend! :-)
-Ru

(Also also: welcome back to Cameroi! You were missed!)

Mozworld, Verdant Haven, Einswenn, Kawastyselir, and 15 othersAlcantaria, Chan island, Mount Seymour, Daarwyrth, Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Uan aa Boa, Hoochlandia, Terrabod, Rivienland, Novian Republics, Simbolon, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, and Garbelia

The Federated Bailiwicks of Verdant Haven

Lura wrote:I've been thinking about becoming an ambassador for a while, and I like the look of Thaecia, so unless Hazel grove or some other native of the region would like it, I would like to offer myself to take the position, should the embassy vote pass.

Thank you very much for volunteering, Lura! Should the question at vote pass and the embassy be created, I will be in touch to get you set up.



The Eclectic Republic of Difinbelk

There's a moderate minority opposing embassies with Thaecia; we've heard a bunch of arguments for it, but not many against, so would y'all be willing to explain why?

Myordas

I've never tried the "two truths, one lie" challenge here so I'm now creating one right now:

Please find which one of the following is a lie about myself:
1. I'm a fan of Armenian Pop
2. I won two different poem contests on two different schools
3. I'm vegan

Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, and 1 otherGarbelia



The most serene republicans

Dan Olson's new video on the Nostalgia Critic "review" of the wall came out some 4 days ago, and it is a pretty good video imo, but more importantly it lead me to rewatch The Wall for the first time since I first saw it. I cannot emphasize enough how powerful The Trial, In The Flesh and especially Goodbye Blue Sky are. Goodbye Blue Sky is one of the very few things that makes me tear up. The way the visuals are just miserable and how it sounds like the mellow acoustic guitar riff keeps getting interrupted by the deep evil synths while on the screen you see the literal blue sky being invaded by war and death... The Wall hasn't aged entirely that well, but that segment is basically too powerful to get old.

And by the time that movie was released my mother was still a young child, so I'm very far from the generation this story came from, and in a completely different country that has never been bombed at all. I can't even imagine what it must have been like to watch the scene right before Another Brick in the Wall pt.2 with all the children crammed up in a train when you were actually taken in a crowded train to the countryside the avoid the bombs being thrown all over your neighborhood, and having studied in a school system where abuse wasn't isolated but systematic.

So I'm just gonna throw this here as a topic for discussion

Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, and 1 otherGarbelia

The most serene republicans

Myordas wrote:I've never tried the "two truths, one lie" challenge here so I'm now creating one right now:

Please find which one of the following is a lie about myself:
1. I'm a fan of Armenian Pop
2. I won two different poem contests on two different schools
3. I'm vegan

The first one would make a lot of sense if you were armenian, but since I don't know that information I'm gonna go with 3 is a lie.

Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Myordas, Middle Barael, and 2 othersNation of ecologists, and Garbelia



Myordas

The most serene republicans wrote:The first one would make a lot of sense if you were armenian, but since I don't know that information I'm gonna go with 3 is a lie.

I'm actually a Filipino, I don't have -yan in my last name.

Atsvea, Lord Dominator, Hoochlandia, Middle Barael, and 3 othersNation of ecologists, Garbelia, and The most serene republicans

Hazel grove

Uan aa Boa wrote:Hazel grove, you've clearly put considerable work into your embassy request. I'd like to ask what difference opening an embassy with Thaecia will actually make. We've had numerous past charm offensives from regions we've never heard from again after the poll (looking at you, Osiris, though there plenty more.) Apart from another name at the end of our embassy list what can we expect?

Well, I can already tell you that on day one I plan to send an Ambassador over who will hopefully get involved on this RMB and everything. That's the absolute bare minimum-I want to make sure, and this is part of my FA philosophy generally, that every region I send an Ambassador to is represented by someone who actually wants to get involved where they are wherever the activity in that region happens to be. Over time, while I know Verdant Haven mentioned this was not really a think for you all, I'd like to work on inviting you all to participate in our RP sphere if that's your thing.

I'd also like to potentially work toward some cooperation on like RL environmental issues-inasmuch as we can do and remain semi or totally anonymous on NationStates. While I'm afraid the thing I wanted to do for Earth Day this year is just not going to work out unless I stumble on something, I think it's certainly something I'd be interested in pursuing going forward. There's a real interest in sustainability and ways to be more "eco-friendly" in Thaecia and we'd love to work with the greenest people around to help us be a little more green instead of blue*!

* This is a reference to our flag lol.

Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Lord Dominator, New ladavia, and 5 othersNovian Republics, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, Garbelia, and The most serene republicans

The Socialist Republic of Cuillin

Happy weekend everyone! I have been playing this game for years, and I have no idea what embassies in this game really do. Haha! I've voted 'yes' to the poll above, but if someone could educate me I'd be so grateful!

Mount Seymour, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 6 othersHoochlandia, Terrabod, Myordas, Middle Barael, Nation of ecologists, and Garbelia

Nation of ecologists

Cuillin wrote:Happy weekend everyone! I have been playing this game for years, and I have no idea what embassies in this game really do. Haha! I've voted 'yes' to the poll above, but if someone could educate me I'd be so grateful!

basically, embassies allow residents of one region post on the RMB of another region. Besides that, their use depends on what kind of region is using them.

Anyways, just made my first section of the GII, id be fine with some feedback:

Green Ideology Index (GII) WIP

by Nation of ecologists

This index will map out, describe and explain all 17 major contemporary "green" ideologies, i.e. ideologies that support the protection of the environment as one of the major tenets in their beliefs. The list will be given in no particular order.

Environmentalism

Environmentalism is the primary ideology that drives the ecological movement. The major tenet that environmentalism espouses is the protection of the environment, obviously. As such, it is a very broad encompassing ideology that is compatible with most ideologies, all the way from communism to fascism. Besides environmental protection, it doesn't really specify anything else that it supports. It is implemented in a variety of countries, such as Iceland, which gets almost 100% of its power renewably and has a good track record for environmental protection. New Zealand and Sweden are also examples of environmentalist countries, given that they both get a large amount of their power renewably and have strong environmental laws.

Green Politics

Green politics, as the name suggests, is basically a more politically charged version of environmentalism that has more finite political positions. Along with supporting protecting the environment, it also supports non-violence, equal rights, grassroots democracy etc. The ideology has inspired parties to form across the world with similar platforms, with considerable electoral success (Green-Left Movement of Iceland, Green Party of New Zealand, Green Party of Sweden, Alliance 90s-The Greens in Germany are some examples of considerably successful "green parties").

Green Liberalism

Green liberalism is an ideology that supports strong social liberties with environmental protection. It does not support directly mandating people change their way of life to protect the environment, rather it instead supports regulating pollution, establishing better green areas, encouraging recycling etc. Some prominent "green liberal" parties are the Green League of Finland and Politics Can be Different of Hungary, which see relatively large electoral support.

Eco-Communism/Eco-Marxism

Eco-Communism, or more commonly known as eco-marxism, is an ideology that combines environmentalism with the ideology and doctrine of Karl Marx, or the broader communist movement. It believes that a communist society is the only way to achieve true environmental sustainability because it gets rid of the ideas of materialism and consumerism. While it hasn't really been implemented anywhere, it has been gaining traction as an alternative to eco-socialism. Still, it remains a relatively niche ideology.

Eco-Socialism

Eco-socialism is an ideology that combines socialism with environmentalism. It believes that the only way to achieve sustainability is through socialism and government control of the economy to protect the environment, and that capitalism is inherently anti-environmentalist. It also supports alter-globalization and social justice. The ideology enjoys quite a large support base in mainstream politics, and many parties identify as eco-socialist, such as the US Green Party, Antarsya in Greece, Green-Left Coalition of Croatia, the Italian Left, Red-Green Alliance of Denmark and Socialism and Liberty Party of Brazil, just to name a few.

Eco-Social Democracy

Eco-Social democracy is an ideology that combines environmentalism with social democracy, and is mostly seen as a more moderate version of eco-socialism. The main tenets of eco-social democracy are state intervention within in a capitalist economy to protect the environment and consumers. Eco-social democracy is practiced widely in Nordic countries and other European countries, and enjoys status as a considerably well-known contemporary ideology.

Green Conservatism

Green conservatism is an ideology that combines environmentalism with conservatism. Green conservatism often supports a measured, incremental response to the climate crisis and environmental protection, such as introducing environmental protections over a period of time and is often less ambitious in it's plans for environmental protections. Green conservatism does enjoy broad support in a variety of countries, such as Canada where former Prime Minister Stephen Harper was a prominent member of the movement, even if he rejected environmentalism later in his career. Other prominent green conservatives are Winfred Krietschmann, the Minister President of the German state of Baden-Wurttemburg, Jobikk, the major opposition party in Hungary and former Prime Minister of the UK David Cameron, though it is debatable how "green" his conservatism was.

Radical Environmentalism

Radical environmentalism is a radical form of environmentalism that seeks to radically alter how society runs in order to protect the environment. It believes that the current way the world runs is very harmful to the environment, and that changing the fundamentals of society to increase sustainability is the only way to save it. As such, it would support sweeping protections of natural areas, strong regulations on industry and changing how industries run to better suit the environment and banning fossil fuels. Because it is a decently niche ideology, it does not enjoy broad support in contemporary society, however one could say that Bhutan uses a form of radical environmentalism, as they are going to be one of the first countries to have net zero carbon emissions by 2030, along with Iceland.

Anarcho-Primitivism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gv_Uil_62k and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piTAJEjfRC4

Green Anarchism

Green anarchism is an ideology believes the only way to protect the environment is through an anarchist society, and believes that anarchism and environmentalism are mutually inclusive. It aims to bring about an anarchist society that is environmentally sustainable. while green anarchism has little contemporary support currently, some prominent green anarchists are John Zersan and Layla Abdel-Rahim, and the ideology itself is similar to anarcho-primitivism, just less skeptical of technology.

Deep Ecology

Deep ecology is an environmental ideology/philosophy that promotes that all living beings have inherent value regardless of their worth to humans, and that human society should be restructured to follow this principle. It believes that human development should not impede or profit off of nature in any way, and that humanity should instead work with nature to develop. It also believes that the living environment and other non-human living beings should be given basic and legal rights to protect them. It can be seen as a more moderate version of anarcho-primitivism. Some notable deep ecologists include: Arne Naess, who is credited with founding the movement and Pentti Linkola.

Eco-Libertarianism

Eco-libertarianism, or green libertarianism, is an ideology that holds the view that the main sector of the economy it should get involved in is the environment and that the main thing the government should legislative on is environmental protection. As such, it would support de-regulating the economy while holding companies accountable for environmental protection. It is a relatively niche ideology, though it has a few modern supporters such as Garvan Walshe, who is credited with being the forefather of the modern eco-libertarian movement.

Eco-Capitalism

Eco-capitalism, or green capitalism, is an ideology that holds the view that the environment and capitalism go hand in hand and that a capitalist economy is best to protect the environment, and that businesses will protect the environment without the need of too much government intervention. As such, it supports environmental motives such as carbon tax and carbon trading to help the environment. Some notable contemporary eco-capitalists are Paul Hawken and Lester Brown.

Eco-Fascism

Eco-fascism is an ideology that supports individuals sacrificing their liberty and interests in favour of protecting the planet. It believes that a dictatorship must be installed to protect the environment and keep humanity from destroying it any further, and that genocide and population control might be necessary to reduce human impact on the planet. It has been associated with some modern terrorist attacks such as the 2019 Christchurch shooting and 2019 El Paso shooting, and it has links to more far-right ideologies such as nazism and the alt-right. Some modern "eco-fascists" (or people who have been considered to be eco-fascists though they deny it themselves) are Garrett Hardin, Pentti Linkola and disputably Ted Kaczynski.

Eco-Feminism

Eco-feminism is an ideology that combines environmentalism with the feminist movement. It emphasizes the similarity between nature and women, such as both nature and women being viewed as property and both of them being viewed as something to be dominated by a man. As such, it believes that both nature and women must not be dominated and they must all be viewed as equals. Some prominent eco-feminists include Charlene Spretnak, Francoise d'Eeaubonne, Adrian Parr and Starhawk.

Social Ecology

Social ecology is an ideology that believes that social and environmental problems are inextricably linked, and is related to both communalism and green anarchism. It supports a decentralized society that is ecologically sustainable that is run by direct democracy in multiple communes. Two major supporters of social ecology are Murray Bookchin (who is credited with being the father of the modern movement) and Abdullah Ocalan (who is credited with being the father of the modern Kurdish nationalist movement and starting an off-branch of the ideology called democratic confederalism). Currently, social ecology is only really somewhat in use in the Rojava region of Syria, though it is also popular in the broader Kurdish nationalist movement.

Bright-Green Environmentalism

Bright green environmentalism is an ideology that holds the belief that technological and social change is the best way to environmental protection and sustainability. It supports making new technologies and investing in technological infrastructure to better protect the environment and learn more about it. It promotes green energy, electric vehicles, bio and nanotechnologies, dense urban settlements and sustainable products. It believes that Earth can hold billions of people as long as technological innovation is sustainable and promotes the protection of the environment, and is opposed to population control. Some notable bright greens include Alex Steffen and Jonathan Bate.

Read factbook

Cuillin, Atsvea, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 5 othersHoochlandia, Terrabod, Middle Barael, Garbelia, and The most serene republicans

The Bureaudirectic Union of Jutsa

Verdant Haven wrote:I suppose I'll join the "Two Truths and a Lie" we've got going on, so here are three statements revolving around the numbers three, two, and one!

1) I have personally handled a 1933 Saint-Gaudens double eagle - one of the world's rarest and most valuable coins - of which only 3 legally exist: 2 in the Smithsonian and 1 in private hands.
2) I have hiked or climbed on 3 of the "seven summits," 2 around the base, and 1 that I summited: Denali, Mont Blanc, and Kosciusko.
3) I have attended master classes by 3 award-winning luminaries of theater and film, 2 actors and 1 director: Ben Kingsley, Danny Glover, and John Barton.

Is it 3? :D

The most serene republicans wrote:3 is too normal to be a lie, 1 is too weird to be a lie. It's 2

OK yeah fair - I kinda made that easy in hindsight. In fact I have enjoyed Leave It to Beaver despite fully well knowing it's kinda corny, and I have been clinically pronounced dead. I used to live with 11 cats, as a matter of fact, but alas, time has taken its toll. :')

Effazio wrote:Nope, I have in fact moved to a new country with just a suitcase! You are correct however that 1 is true! I have been photographed by the street view car twice, about 6 months apart. Which means of course that Jutsa is correct:
I did not win the New Jersey state geography bee, but I came close! (still bitter... jk)

I can't believe I was right about this. xD
Fancy that, I've never been in an anything bee, and I'm pretty sure I'd be pretty bad at any kind of bee - even a bee bee.

The Socialist Republic of Cuillin

Nation of ecologists wrote:basically, embassies allow residents of one region post on the RMB of another region. Besides that, their use depends on what kind of region is using them.

Anyways, just made my first section of the GII, id be fine with some feedback:

Green Ideology Index (GII) WIP

by Nation of ecologists

This index will map out, describe and explain all 17 major contemporary "green" ideologies, i.e. ideologies that support the protection of the environment as one of the major tenets in their beliefs. The list will be given in no particular order.

Environmentalism

Environmentalism is the primary ideology that drives the ecological movement. The major tenet that environmentalism espouses is the protection of the environment, obviously. As such, it is a very broad encompassing ideology that is compatible with most ideologies, all the way from communism to fascism. Besides environmental protection, it doesn't really specify anything else that it supports. It is implemented in a variety of countries, such as Iceland, which gets almost 100% of its power renewably and has a good track record for environmental protection. New Zealand and Sweden are also examples of environmentalist countries, given that they both get a large amount of their power renewably and have strong environmental laws.

Green Politics

Green politics, as the name suggests, is basically a more politically charged version of environmentalism that has more finite political positions. Along with supporting protecting the environment, it also supports non-violence, equal rights, grassroots democracy etc. The ideology has inspired parties to form across the world with similar platforms, with considerable electoral success (Green-Left Movement of Iceland, Green Party of New Zealand, Green Party of Sweden, Alliance 90s-The Greens in Germany are some examples of considerably successful "green parties").

Green Liberalism

Green liberalism is an ideology that supports strong social liberties with environmental protection. It does not support directly mandating people change their way of life to protect the environment, rather it instead supports regulating pollution, establishing better green areas, encouraging recycling etc. Some prominent "green liberal" parties are the Green League of Finland and Politics Can be Different of Hungary, which see relatively large electoral support.

Eco-Communism/Eco-Marxism

Eco-Communism, or more commonly known as eco-marxism, is an ideology that combines environmentalism with the ideology and doctrine of Karl Marx, or the broader communist movement. It believes that a communist society is the only way to achieve true environmental sustainability because it gets rid of the ideas of materialism and consumerism. While it hasn't really been implemented anywhere, it has been gaining traction as an alternative to eco-socialism. Still, it remains a relatively niche ideology.

Eco-Socialism

Eco-socialism is an ideology that combines socialism with environmentalism. It believes that the only way to achieve sustainability is through socialism and government control of the economy to protect the environment, and that capitalism is inherently anti-environmentalist. It also supports alter-globalization and social justice. The ideology enjoys quite a large support base in mainstream politics, and many parties identify as eco-socialist, such as the US Green Party, Antarsya in Greece, Green-Left Coalition of Croatia, the Italian Left, Red-Green Alliance of Denmark and Socialism and Liberty Party of Brazil, just to name a few.

Eco-Social Democracy

Eco-Social democracy is an ideology that combines environmentalism with social democracy, and is mostly seen as a more moderate version of eco-socialism. The main tenets of eco-social democracy are state intervention within in a capitalist economy to protect the environment and consumers. Eco-social democracy is practiced widely in Nordic countries and other European countries, and enjoys status as a considerably well-known contemporary ideology.

Green Conservatism

Green conservatism is an ideology that combines environmentalism with conservatism. Green conservatism often supports a measured, incremental response to the climate crisis and environmental protection, such as introducing environmental protections over a period of time and is often less ambitious in it's plans for environmental protections. Green conservatism does enjoy broad support in a variety of countries, such as Canada where former Prime Minister Stephen Harper was a prominent member of the movement, even if he rejected environmentalism later in his career. Other prominent green conservatives are Winfred Krietschmann, the Minister President of the German state of Baden-Wurttemburg, Jobikk, the major opposition party in Hungary and former Prime Minister of the UK David Cameron, though it is debatable how "green" his conservatism was.

Radical Environmentalism

Radical environmentalism is a radical form of environmentalism that seeks to radically alter how society runs in order to protect the environment. It believes that the current way the world runs is very harmful to the environment, and that changing the fundamentals of society to increase sustainability is the only way to save it. As such, it would support sweeping protections of natural areas, strong regulations on industry and changing how industries run to better suit the environment and banning fossil fuels. Because it is a decently niche ideology, it does not enjoy broad support in contemporary society, however one could say that Bhutan uses a form of radical environmentalism, as they are going to be one of the first countries to have net zero carbon emissions by 2030, along with Iceland.

Anarcho-Primitivism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gv_Uil_62k and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piTAJEjfRC4

Green Anarchism

Green anarchism is an ideology believes the only way to protect the environment is through an anarchist society, and believes that anarchism and environmentalism are mutually inclusive. It aims to bring about an anarchist society that is environmentally sustainable. while green anarchism has little contemporary support currently, some prominent green anarchists are John Zersan and Layla Abdel-Rahim, and the ideology itself is similar to anarcho-primitivism, just less skeptical of technology.

Deep Ecology

Deep ecology is an environmental ideology/philosophy that promotes that all living beings have inherent value regardless of their worth to humans, and that human society should be restructured to follow this principle. It believes that human development should not impede or profit off of nature in any way, and that humanity should instead work with nature to develop. It also believes that the living environment and other non-human living beings should be given basic and legal rights to protect them. It can be seen as a more moderate version of anarcho-primitivism. Some notable deep ecologists include: Arne Naess, who is credited with founding the movement and Pentti Linkola.

Eco-Libertarianism

Eco-libertarianism, or green libertarianism, is an ideology that holds the view that the main sector of the economy it should get involved in is the environment and that the main thing the government should legislative on is environmental protection. As such, it would support de-regulating the economy while holding companies accountable for environmental protection. It is a relatively niche ideology, though it has a few modern supporters such as Garvan Walshe, who is credited with being the forefather of the modern eco-libertarian movement.

Eco-Capitalism

Eco-capitalism, or green capitalism, is an ideology that holds the view that the environment and capitalism go hand in hand and that a capitalist economy is best to protect the environment, and that businesses will protect the environment without the need of too much government intervention. As such, it supports environmental motives such as carbon tax and carbon trading to help the environment. Some notable contemporary eco-capitalists are Paul Hawken and Lester Brown.

Eco-Fascism

Eco-fascism is an ideology that supports individuals sacrificing their liberty and interests in favour of protecting the planet. It believes that a dictatorship must be installed to protect the environment and keep humanity from destroying it any further, and that genocide and population control might be necessary to reduce human impact on the planet. It has been associated with some modern terrorist attacks such as the 2019 Christchurch shooting and 2019 El Paso shooting, and it has links to more far-right ideologies such as nazism and the alt-right. Some modern "eco-fascists" (or people who have been considered to be eco-fascists though they deny it themselves) are Garrett Hardin, Pentti Linkola and disputably Ted Kaczynski.

Eco-Feminism

Eco-feminism is an ideology that combines environmentalism with the feminist movement. It emphasizes the similarity between nature and women, such as both nature and women being viewed as property and both of them being viewed as something to be dominated by a man. As such, it believes that both nature and women must not be dominated and they must all be viewed as equals. Some prominent eco-feminists include Charlene Spretnak, Francoise d'Eeaubonne, Adrian Parr and Starhawk.

Social Ecology

Social ecology is an ideology that believes that social and environmental problems are inextricably linked, and is related to both communalism and green anarchism. It supports a decentralized society that is ecologically sustainable that is run by direct democracy in multiple communes. Two major supporters of social ecology are Murray Bookchin (who is credited with being the father of the modern movement) and Abdullah Ocalan (who is credited with being the father of the modern Kurdish nationalist movement and starting an off-branch of the ideology called democratic confederalism). Currently, social ecology is only really somewhat in use in the Rojava region of Syria, though it is also popular in the broader Kurdish nationalist movement.

Bright-Green Environmentalism

Bright green environmentalism is an ideology that holds the belief that technological and social change is the best way to environmental protection and sustainability. It supports making new technologies and investing in technological infrastructure to better protect the environment and learn more about it. It promotes green energy, electric vehicles, bio and nanotechnologies, dense urban settlements and sustainable products. It believes that Earth can hold billions of people as long as technological innovation is sustainable and promotes the protection of the environment, and is opposed to population control. Some notable bright greens include Alex Steffen and Jonathan Bate.

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The Equatorial Forests of Uan aa Boa

Difinbelk wrote:There's a moderate minority opposing embassies with Thaecia; we've heard a bunch of arguments for it, but not many against, so would y'all be willing to explain why?

I'm responding to this a little reluctantly, because I resolved not to get deeply invested in embassy debates any more and because I've no desire to disrespect Thaecia, which seems a perfectly decent region. Some people think "this region seems friendly and asked nicely so why shouldn't we have an embassy?" Others, including me, think "Why should we have an embassy?"

Looking at Thaecia I see a region that no doubt does the things it does very well, but those things seem to be Discord, RP, R/D and regional legislation in a complicated government structure. None of those are things we're into. Every serious embassy request we get says positive things about the environment, but given an admittedly brief look I haven't seen anything in Thaecia that particularly backs that up. One of their introductory dispatches notes that opinion is divided on whether they should take a position on any real world issues at all. I see a 2 year old region that describes 1 year ago as a dark period in its history and I'm not sure that speaks to a strong, mature culture yet, though that will hopefully come with time.

There's no doubt that the application itself is a fine piece of work and I wish that ability was being deployed in Forest, but while their RMB also has some high quality government posts it's overall a bit too "oWo lol" for my tastes, and I wonder whether like some other embassies we have it would mainly yield "oWo lol" posting over here. I appreciate that their main focus is probably off-site and I haven't looked there, so I'm judging on a partial picture.

So yeah, they seem like good people enjoying the game, but I don't see how they match with Forest. Sorry.

PS You kids get off my lawn.

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The Rewilding of Ruinenlust

Uan aa Boa wrote:I'm responding to this a little reluctantly, because I resolved not to get deeply invested in embassy debates any more and because I've no desire to disrespect Thaecia, which seems a perfectly decent region.

PS You kids get off my lawn.

Never be reluctant to give your opinion (Uan & everyone else). That's the whole point of having a discussion and a debate. Throwing cold water on something for the sake of being a downer would be discouraged, but having actually reasons and a train of coherent thought is nothing to be ashamed of or feel badly for bringing up.

As I always used to implore, it is good to have a discussion rather than to just be "wow, I can vote yes" or "wow, I can vote no." Rationale is what matters, regardless of the issue at hand.

But: I dispute your "get off my lawn thing." I had to look up "oWo lol" on Urban Dictionary, so you're a bit more "with it" than you'd like to admit. ;-)

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Badivermeraed

Hey folks, important update from Thalassia! Today Queen Sho announced her abdication! There is to be a two week transition period, the end of which the Crown Prince (who happens to be me, so this is weird to announce) will take the throne.

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The Taiga Folk of Northern Wood

I have difficulty imagining two regions with less in common than Thaecia and Forest... The former I associate primarily with immature memes and poor server moderation.

Nation of ecologists

This may be the first time an NS discussion changed my mind on a topic. I was originally for getting embassies with Thaecia, however because of the arguments given by Uan and Northern Wood, along with a quick look at their RMB shows that they are absolutely not the right region to get embassies with. Maybe in the future yes, but not currently. I worry that opening embassies with them would degrade our RMB greatly, as they are way to focused on one-line posts.

The most serene republicans

Uan aa Boa wrote:I'm responding to this a little reluctantly, because I resolved not to get deeply invested in embassy debates any more and because I've no desire to disrespect Thaecia, which seems a perfectly decent region. Some people think "this region seems friendly and asked nicely so why shouldn't we have an embassy?" Others, including me, think "Why should we have an embassy?"

Looking at Thaecia I see a region that no doubt does the things it does very well, but those things seem to be Discord, RP, R/D and regional legislation in a complicated government structure. None of those are things we're into. Every serious embassy request we get says positive things about the environment, but given an admittedly brief look I haven't seen anything in Thaecia that particularly backs that up. One of their introductory dispatches notes that opinion is divided on whether they should take a position on any real world issues at all. I see a 2 year old region that describes 1 year ago as a dark period in its history and I'm not sure that speaks to a strong, mature culture yet, though that will hopefully come with time.

There's no doubt that the application itself is a fine piece of work and I wish that ability was being deployed in Forest, but while their RMB also has some high quality government posts it's overall a bit too "oWo lol" for my tastes, and I wonder whether like some other embassies we have it would mainly yield "oWo lol" posting over here. I appreciate that their main focus is probably off-site and I haven't looked there, so I'm judging on a partial picture.

So yeah, they seem like good people enjoying the game, but I don't see how they match with Forest. Sorry.

PS You kids get off my lawn.

Northern Wood wrote:I have difficulty imagining two regions with less in common than Thaecia and Forest... The former I associate primarily with immature memes and poor server moderation.

Nation of ecologists wrote:This may be the first time an NS discussion changed my mind on a topic. I was originally for getting embassies with Thaecia, however because of the arguments given by Uan and Northern Wood, along with a quick look at their RMB shows that they are absolutely not the right region to get embassies with. Maybe in the future yes, but not currently. I worry that opening embassies with them would degrade our RMB greatly, as they are way to focused on one-line posts.

I appreciate the arguments, however I'm still for opening the embassy.

The way I see it, we can't judge them just by the RMB, as we've been doing so far, since their main traffic occurs on discord or other non NS forums. Uan mentioned that, to be fair. The embassy request mentioned recent efforts to make the RMB a more used feature, which I believe could quickly reduce the meme content. However, I'm assuming by this that their non-RMB stuff is not as memey, which might be completely wrong. Besides, some other regions with relatively high oWo lol amounts of memeage on their RMB have embassies in Forest, and our own rmb remains mostly intact as far as I can tell.

However, Uan's argument that the region itself, unlike basically all our other embassies including the memeier ones, doesn't seem to have much to do with enviromentalism makes sense to me, and I can see that being a deal breaker. I doubt having an embassy there would affect our RMB much, but, as Uan said, there's still the question of "Why should we have an embassy?", or, I think in a more complete way, even if having that embassy wouldn't take anything from forest, what could it bring to forest?

Anyway, as I mentioned, I'm still in favour. Let's see where this goes.

The Socialist Republic of Cuillin

I have nothing to add to this debate of substance really, but I'm enjoying reading your debate on it. If I may just add a small point: I suppose one advantage of linking with another region could be the influence that would give in setting an example. They may see the great discussion here and want to bring it to their own region.

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