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Alteran republics

New aapelistan wrote:They are outside the rule of one aircraft carrier per country, but I don't remember do we have any rules for them.

Some nations, like myself, operate multiple smaller carriers as an alternative to one large carrier. I may add a carrier if I switch over - but until then my budget allows for two of the "harrier carriers"; fine for small numbers of aircraft and UAVs.

Hyukai



The Unified Electorates of Ainslie

If you're a part of The Western Isles Climate Response Council, then this thread is for you!
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=503317

EDIT: you’ll likely be able to submit candidates any time this weekend before that stage gets cut off. For now, I’ve extended the nomination period.

Athara magarat, Alteran republics, Nhoor, and Hyukai

New jacobland

Havalland wrote:All my neighbors are gone, every time I go to change my factbooks to be up to date it’s not worth it because the new guys leave quicker than they joined.

I still exist :)

Havalland, Corsitilia, and Hyukai

Post self-deleted by Shidei.

The Snark Queen of Shidei

Make DC a state

If you want to keep the status quo of 50 just combine North and South Dakota into one

Dormill and Stiura, Corindia, Nhoor, Aizcona, and 2 othersHyukai, and Romsland

The Hegemony of Wellsia

Shidei wrote:Make DC a state

If you want to keep the status quo of 50 just combine North and South Dakota into one

If DC becomes a state it defeats the whole purpose of its existence, to form a capital district outside of any one state. The idea was so successful that numerous other countries followed suit. Should they have representation in the House, yes they should, but they should not now or ever be a state.

Ioudaia, Miklania, Hyukai, and Romsland

The United Republics of Dormill and Stiura

Wellsia wrote:If DC becomes a state it defeats the whole purpose of its existence, to form a capital district outside of any one state. The idea was so successful that numerous other countries followed suit. Should they have representation in the House, yes they should, but they should not now or ever be a state.

Or, and hear me out, make the residential areas of DC a state and reduce the federal district to the existing federal buildings.

Wellsia, Nhoor, Wachoviaa, Hyukai, and 1 otherRomsland

The Hegemony of Wellsia

Dormill and Stiura wrote:Or, and hear me out, make the residential areas of DC a state and reduce the federal district to the existing federal buildings.

But then by the original agreement those territories belong to Maryland, just like Alexandria returned to Virginia when it was removed from DC.

Nhoor, Hyukai, and Romsland

The Snark Queen of Shidei

Wellsia wrote:If DC becomes a state it defeats the whole purpose of its existence, to form a capital district outside of any one state. The idea was so successful that numerous other countries followed suit. Should they have representation in the House, yes they should, but they should not now or ever be a state.

Why should they have representation in the house but not the senate? And if you think they should have senate representation, why should they not be a state?

Dormill and Stiura wrote:Or, and hear me out, make the residential areas of DC a state and reduce the federal district to the existing federal buildings.

This is pretty much the plan proposed by the bill. Federal buildings/land/monuments/etc will not be included as part of the state

Wellsia wrote:But then by the original agreement those territories belong to Maryland, just like Alexandria returned to Virginia when it was removed from DC.

Show me where the original agreement requires the land to be returned if this happens.

As an aside, I'm reasonably certain Maryland doesn't want it anyways

The Realm of Serpens Land

It's officially my one year anniversary on NationStates today!

Domanania, Dormill and Stiura, San Montagna, Alteran republics, and 9 othersNhoor, Shidei, Aizcona, New jacobland, Wachoviaa, Hyukai, Westmoor isles, Romsland, and The Tsunterlands

The Estral Republic of Aizcona

Dormill and Stiura wrote:Or, and hear me out, make the residential areas of DC a state and reduce the federal district to the existing federal buildings.

This is the plan

Wellsia wrote:But then by the original agreement those territories belong to Maryland, just like Alexandria returned to Virginia when it was removed from DC.

Maryland doesn't want them. Which as the case then they should be allowed to be their own state. Do you remember what the US was founded on? "No taxation without representation." That is the case for this, and also why Puerto Rico should be stated as well. I'd say Guam too but they don't actually want to be a state so fair enough.

Dormill and Stiura, Corindia, Hyukai, and Romsland

The Hegemony of Wellsia

Aizcona wrote:This is the plan
Maryland doesn't want them. Which as the case then they should be allowed to be their own state. Do you remember what the US was founded on? "No taxation without representation." That is the case for this, and also why Puerto Rico should be stated as well. I'd say Guam too but they don't actually want to be a state so fair enough.

Your right Maryland doesn't want them, nor do they want to join Maryland, but the US Constitution states that there must be a Federal Capital District that is outside of any state. If D.C. becomes a state, then can it legally still be the Capital? Puerto Rico, chose to become a Commonwealth and not a state or independent. There has been many plebiscites to change Puerto Rico's status and everyone of them has had the majority wanting to maintain the status quo.

[quote=shidei;43674153]Why should they have representation in the house but not the senate? And if you think they should have senate representation, why should they not be a state?
The House of Representatives was set up to allow representation of the people in Congress, the Senate was suppose to give the State governments representation in Congress. Everyone should have a voting representation in the House, but the City of Washington lacks many requirements for statehood, population not being one of them. I remember this same discussion back in the 70s, one argument was that DC lacks any means to produce goods, they are strictly a service economy, no mines or farmland.

Hyukai



Athara magarat

I am just curious...how much do you guys think I like owe in war reparations and how much to whom. If my knowledge is right, both Germany and Japan paid around 23 billion USD each.

(Imperial War only. Plz don't dig into other wars started by me okay...)

New jacobland and Hyukai

The Snark Queen of Shidei

Wellsia wrote:Your right Maryland doesn't want them, nor do they want to join Maryland, but the US Constitution states that there must be a Federal Capital District that is outside of any state. If D.C. becomes a state, then can it legally still be the Capital? Puerto Rico, chose to become a Commonwealth and not a state or independent. There has been many plebiscites to change Puerto Rico's status and everyone of them has had the majority wanting to maintain the status quo.

The House of Representatives was set up to allow representation of the people in Congress, the Senate was suppose to give the State governments representation in Congress. Everyone should have a voting representation in the House, but the City of Washington lacks many requirements for statehood, population not being one of them. I remember this same discussion back in the 70s, one argument was that DC lacks any means to produce goods, they are strictly a service economy, no mines or farmland.

It does say that, which is why the federal lands will not be included in DC statehood. There's no minimum land size requirement, just a maximum one

What are the legal requirements for statehood? And which ones would DC be unable to abide by?

Aizcona and Hyukai

The Blue Islands of Corindia

tbh the constitutional arguments against the validity of DC statehood are all basically people muddying the water so they don't have to come out and say why they really don't want it to be a state. Like it's pretty clear the workarounds aren't particularly difficult even without amending anything.

Aizcona and Hyukai

The Estral Republic of Aizcona

Corindia wrote:tbh the constitutional arguments against the validity of DC statehood are all basically people muddying the water so they don't have to come out and say why they really don't want it to be a state. Like it's pretty clear the workarounds aren't particularly difficult even without amending anything.

If DC was purple it would be a state by now. I am interested in what they'd call it since DC will still exist

Dormill and Stiura and Hyukai

The Blue Islands of Corindia

like it's just a consistent thing you see all the time with these arguments, the right wing position is just a series of bad faith specious arguments that aren't as much an attempt to convince anyone as much as they are an attempt to just wear people down until they stop engaging.

Aizcona and Hyukai

The Dominion of Nhoor

Aizcona wrote:If DC was purple it would be a state by now. I am interested in what they'd call it since DC will still exist

It will probably be DC-Stadt and DC-Land, just like Basel in Switzerland.

Aizcona and Hyukai



The Dominion of Nhoor

I think Nantucket deserves statehood though because of the naughty limerick(s) that have been written about it.

"Welcome to Nantucket. The Naughty State"

Hyukai

The Estral Republic of Aizcona

Corindia wrote:like it's just a consistent thing you see all the time with these arguments, the right wing position is just a series of bad faith specious arguments that aren't as much an attempt to convince anyone as much as they are an attempt to just wear people down until they stop engaging.

I saw an argument that was, well if the Dems want DC and Puerto Rico, how would they feel about Texas splitting into five states. It's like sure, if that's how you feel represented go ahead, you have that option by Texas' constitution

Hyukai

The Blue Islands of Corindia

Nhoor wrote:It will probably be DC-Stadt and DC-Land, just like Basel in Switzerland.

plus DC World in Orlando

Nhoor and Hyukai

The Snark Queen of Shidei

Aizcona wrote:I saw an argument that was, well if the Dems want DC and Puerto Rico, how would they feel about Texas splitting into five states. It's like sure, if that's how you feel represented go ahead, you have that option by Texas' constitution

"It's unfair and anti-democratic!" they cry, as they push forward legislation restricting the ability to vote

"We're being politically oppressed and censored!" they claim, on the most watched news outlet in the country listening to one of the biggest and most popular media personalities on the continent

The United Republics of Dormill and Stiura

Athara magarat wrote:I am just curious...how much do you guys think I like owe in war reparations and how much to whom. If my knowledge is right, both Germany and Japan paid around 23 billion USD each.

(Imperial War only. Plz don't dig into other wars started by me okay...)

Depends, I’d figure the amount remains somewhat proportional to the RL figure but there’s the question of if AM remains beholden to pay said reparations in the modern day.

For instance, the United Republics (or at least as far as I’ve considered it so far) was legally unbound from paying its IW reparations after reunification, since in that case it is a legally distinct entity from the wartime government and the successor states.

Hyukai

The Könirike of Havalland

New jacobland wrote:I still exist :)

Yay :)

Nhoor, New jacobland, and Hyukai

The Federated States of Domanania

Athara magarat wrote:I am just curious...how much do you guys think I like owe in war reparations and how much to whom. If my knowledge is right, both Germany and Japan paid around 23 billion USD each.

(Imperial War only. Plz don't dig into other wars started by me okay...)

well keep in mind, germany finished paying off their WW1 debt by the early 2010's, and they paid off their WW2 debt by the 70's. It all depends on how much we think we need to punish you. IRL we discovered that if the reparations are too extreme then it could lead to the collapse of the country and lead to bigger problems.

Segentova and Hyukai

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