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Earthly Cossack wrote:

I was phrasing it to say that anyone who is poor has the equal opportunity to rise as anyone who is rich. It’s by merit not by who got the rich parents.
The gulag is not what should be considered a success and much less a standard.
Oh deary, genocide was there alright.

Holodomor was caused by drought, plant disease and kulak terrorism, and impacted all the Union and not just Ukraine.

Earthly Cossack wrote:

“ This suggests that roughly 15 percent of prisoners and exiles died over this twenty-five-year period”
Ah yes, low death percentage

Source? Because Wikipedia says that such a high percentage was only there during the war for obvious reasons.

Land of bird wrote:

"Forced labour" is slavery and the fact that there were death at all is bad. There was either bad conditions or murder going on.

Forced labor and slavery, as far as I know, are not the same thing.

Oceanic AI of Arctic Ocean wrote:

Forced labor and slavery, as far as I know, are not the same thing.

What is slavery then?

Arctic Lands wrote:

Holodomor was caused by drought, plant disease and kulak terrorism, and impacted all the Union and not just Ukraine.
Source? Because Wikipedia says that such a high percentage was only there during the war for obvious reasons.

Red based

Land of bird wrote:

What is slavery then?

Slavery is a mode of production that treats people as commodities.

The fact that people defend this stuff baffles me.

Arctic Lands wrote:

Holodomor was caused by drought, plant disease and kulak terrorism, and impacted all the Union and not just Ukraine.
Source? Because Wikipedia says that such a high percentage was only there during the war for obvious reasons.

It was caused because Stalin wanted grain and didn’t care about the people. They refused to help the people, arrested, denied they were suffering.
Four million died. Most Ukrainians. If that isn’t genocide then we have a problem.
The death range varies between 5 - 25%, no numbers to be proud off. Million died.

Land of bird wrote:

The fact that people defend this stuff baffles me.

It’s slavery plain and simple.
Saying “oh only _ amount died!”
The fact that people died should tip you off.

Land of bird wrote:

The fact that people defend this stuff baffles me.

Same. Like bro, it's bad. How tf do you not see that?

Earthly Cossack wrote:

It was caused because Stalin wanted grain and didn’t care about the people. They refused to help the people, arrested, denied they were suffering.
Four million died. Most Ukrainians. If that isn’t genocide then we have a problem.
The death range varies between 5 - 25%, no numbers to be proud off. Million died.

>Stalin wanted grain (from which food is made)
>because of this there was no food
bruh

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Arctic Lands wrote:

1³+2³+3³+...+n³ == (1+2+3+...+n)²

Math isn't mathing

Not this discussion again >_>

Socialist State Fayria wrote:

>Stalin wanted grain (from which food is made)
>because of this there was no food
bruh

He didn’t just want grain, he wanted more than the farmers could handle. He wanted it to advance the nation, not the help the people.

Forwerpen wrote:

Not this discussion again >_>

I don’t like genocide denialists. Plain and simple.

Arctic Lands wrote:

Holodomor was caused by drought, plant disease and kulak terrorism, and impacted all the Union and not just Ukraine.
Source? Because Wikipedia says that such a high percentage was only there during the war for obvious reasons.

"Oh my god, Stalin was a villain and wanted to destroy all poor Ukrainians!!!!"
"Um, actually, Holodomor spread to Volga region and many russians died there."
"You're lying, Holodomor was created to destroy Ukrainians!!!"

Earthly Cossack wrote:

It was caused because Stalin wanted grain and didn’t care about the people. They refused to help the people, arrested, denied they were suffering.
Four million died. Most Ukrainians. If that isn’t genocide then we have a problem.
The death range varies between 5 - 25%, no numbers to be proud off. Million died.

Dont forgot about russians too.

Killing people is bad.

Arctic Lands wrote:

Slavery is a mode of production that treats people as commodities.

Oh right, so they were just forced to do pointless labour and work to death in bad conditions without any purpose? A very good point.

Earthly Cossack wrote:

It’s slavery plain and simple.
Saying “oh only _ amount died!”
The fact that people died should tip you off.

People should say Thomas Jefferson enslaved 600+ people
Not "oh it was only a bit over 600"

Earthly Cossack wrote:

He didn’t just want grain, he wanted more than the farmers could handle. He wanted it to advance the nation, not the help the people.

And does the development of the country ≠ a prosperous life?

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Oceanic AI of Arctic Ocean wrote:

"Oh my god, Stalin was a villain and wanted to destroy all poor Ukrainians!!!!"
"Um, actually, Holodomor spread to Volga region and many russians died there."
"You're lying, Holodomor was created to destroy Ukrainians!!!"

Dont forgot about russians too.

Others were hit, but the main population was Ukrainians. And there was some attempt to oppress the people from uprisings by forcing them to starve. They were its main victims, and I don’t deny others suffered. Stalin did not care about who died, just power.

Earthly Cossack wrote:

It was caused because Stalin wanted grain and didn’t care about the people. They refused to help the people, arrested, denied they were suffering.
Four million died. Most Ukrainians. If that isn’t genocide then we have a problem.
The death range varies between 5 - 25%, no numbers to be proud off. Million died.

Stalin ordered 16k tons of grain to be sent to starving regions and ordered a plethora of other measures to curb the famine, stuff you would know if you studied history by actual documents. Four million is a vastly exaggerated number, in fact, by an order of magnitude. This is a tragedy, but not a genocide since genocide implies intent.
Death rates in gulag varied between 0.9% in the best years and 16% during WW2. You may also notice that death rates correspond directly to economic conditions of USSR. And, if you look at profits the system made, you would notice they were in the negatives, implying the whole thing was tax-funded and the labor was there to rehabilitate criminals and not exploit them.

Socialist State Fayria wrote:

And does the development of the country ≠ a prosperous life?

So over 4 million lives is worth some development?

Socialist State Fayria wrote:

And does the development of the country ≠ a prosperous life?

That country could develop slavery Motownphilly back again *trumpet*