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All serene republics

What? Suppression you say? Hmmm...

Aandruzognivia, Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and 1 otherTHe cHadS

South ubeka

hands out crumpets with a massive array of flavours to eat with it ^---^. see we cater for all =D

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

Crimson tide football

Roll Tide!

Gradea iii, Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and 1 otherTHe cHadS

Thought transference

So, Outpost Bravo said, "Eww, salt and bread sounds horrid. It must make your mouth dry as Hell." Only to you, my misguided Nazi. Perhaps it's your life-distorting philosophy that is also distorting your taste buds, or perhaps your mouth is already dry from the bad taste of the evil of such a philosophy and its rejection by the peoples of the world.

For the rest of us, salt is one of the essentials of life without which we die, and bread is that fundamental food --- at least, the properly made breads such as we have made in Ukraine down the ages. Such bread, you can live on, it's so full of both flavour and goodness. When we offer salt and bread to visitors to our homes it's a way of saying, "I share life with you". We also use this combination as a gift when we visit a loved one for the first time in a new home.

BTW, this combination of foods appears all over the world, and in some strange disguises. We didn't invent the combination; its origin predates the modern historical interest in "who did it first". For example, in various places throughout central and western Europe one of those disguises is some form of pretzels. And let's not leave out wonderful things like Hovis crackers in the UK and their former empire, and Saltine crackers in the USA. Even the original plain Fritos corn chip, what was it? Corn chips are not like potato chips that are sliced; they are made by grinding the maize-corn into flour. You can bake that into corn bread, or make thin strips of crisped corn bread with salt on them. And when you're done, it's bread and salt, and your mouth isn't dry because you're salivating with the flavours.

But when you said what you did, my first thought was, "Wow! All those centuries ago our ancestors devised this wonderful tradition that could warn us if we were about to let a Nazi into our home --- even before there were Nazis! What prescience, to invent the alarm so far in advance of the need!" :-)

But seriously, by the time the tea and coffee and kvas and vodka are being poured out during the visit, no one is thinking of being dry-mouthed.

Crumpets! Another fine tradition using bread. And the salt is replaced by the modern habit of using salted butter instead of the older way of serving what my parents still called "sweet butter" --- unsalted butter.

All this talk of food has made me thirsty and hungry. I'd love a buttered crumpet to go with my coffee, thanks!

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Bethany Kings, Jutlund, and 1 otherTHe cHadS

Scarsaw outpost bravo

Yeah, there should be a pamphlet called "how to spot a Nazi." First step, offer it bread and salt; if they refuse, NAZI! XD Too bad we didn't know that back in '34. Would have saved a lot of heartache...

...but to be honest, I'm not a Nazi.

Anyway, I thought it would be dry because I find that eating bread dries out my mouth and adding salt, something that we dehydrate it more, makes me think it would only add to the dryness. I know that salt is needed for life, however, you usually get enough salt through other foods (both natural and preserved) that digesting it straight is unnecessary. In North America especially, we consume nearly double the amount of sodium than we should...without touching a salt shaker!

I knew there was a reason I hated corn chips. Saltine crackers are good, however, I dare someone to tell me that doesn't dry your mouth out fast. Have 2-3 crackers and you're diving for water. I don't doubt that the salt and bread combo isn't popular, I'm just pointing out that it probably dehydrates your mouth fast and it's not for me. I'm not a fan of salty things.

...although, the sound of having coffee and vodka is starting to make me a bit thirsty as well...

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

Animal house recruiter

I hope the brain damage diet works out.
~ Bluto

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

The Generically Named Nation of Bobs raider puppet

"...but to be honest, I'm not a Nazi."

He/she just plays one on TV!

Kraljevstvo Rata, Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and 1 otherTHe cHadS

South ubeka

well i like bread, salt, vodka and coffee so i will hold a party in my country and have everything that anyone could ever want to eat out =D

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

The Generically Named Nation of Bobs raider puppet

You know, I do so enjoy finding out I've been removed from the Regional Ban list of regions I have no recollection of ever having been in. I'd forgotten just how much this nation got around.

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

South ubeka

lol xD i love that too I don't believe I have been banned from regions before but I was from one region I has never even been to before 0w0 xD

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

Thought transference

@Outpost Bravo: you're right there. I guess by the time the Nazis showed up, everybody forgot what the custom was for. ;-) But seriously, if you recruit for a Nazi region you do risk being mistaken for one. I'm struggling to resist the urge to respond to the comment by Bobs raider puppet by saying "Nein, he is only following orders". I don't know if I'll succeed or f--- oops! Never mind.

As for bread and salt, I suspect there are a few misconceptions at work here. First, the amount of bread one eats in such a welcome ritual isn't as big as you seem to suggest. You just take off a piece --- it's not the whole loaf! Also, if you chew the bread only a little it does dry the mouth a little, but if you chew thoroughly instead, it makes you salivate. That gives an enzyme in the saliva called amylase time to break down the starches in the bread, beginning the production of sugars. The resultant sweetness in the mouth stimulates more salivation, making it even less dry and balancing the taste of the salt so the flavour is rich. Since you like Saltines, try it sometime: eat a cracker, but chew longer than you normally would. Resist swallowing for longer and pay close attention to what's happening in your mouth. See if you're mouth really is dry at the end.

Second, you don't take loads of salt. You take some bread and dip it in the salt. The bread isn't stale so it still has its own moisture but isn't wet, so when you dip it it isn't covered with a thick coat of salt, just the right amount to make a savoury treat! I grew up in North America so I know the way food there is ruined by processing out the natural flavours and aromas in the foods and then artificially adding these coarse, flashy tastes by slopping them full of salt, sugar, fats and chemicals. It happens throughout the West. But traditional foods and cooking are still possible, and then you see how amazing food is and how amazing our bodies are in their ability to enjoy good food.

If you were here I could welcome you in this way, and by trying it you could see the difference between what you think it will be and what it really is.

But now, I need to eat! Waiter, I'll have a steak, rare, with brown rice in a garlic sauce and steamed cabbage. I'll have a cafetiere of Colombian coffee and a side salad. Coffee for my fellow-TRRans. And send Outpost Bravo a Saltine cracker to experiment with, and a glass of water in case he forgets to chew! On my tab. Thanks.

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

Zyonn

I make my own pretzels, every few weeks when I get a salt craving (I eat very little added salt in my diet normally). I think the key is using real flour and sugar and not the awful processed stuff with all the goodness bleached out of it. I had to relearn to like food for what it is, for its flavour, and not the cheap thrill of fat, salt, and sugar dehydrated and put in a box that is the staple of North American diets. Anyway, my pretzels rock, but I can't make the right shape, so they are always crazy 8s.

Gradea iii, Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and 1 otherTHe cHadS

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The aunitedkingdom rgn

I was ejected from A united Kingdom after I arrived in a vain attempt to liberate the peoples there, following the arrival of an oppressor, Gottyou. Gottyou became WA delegate, and set about in making us all bow and scrape, and told us to 'HAIL YOUR LEADER'. all the nations started hailing, publicly, their own leaders, much to the annoyance of Gottyou. he banished me after arriving to save them, and now I am here. he has now promised democratic reform, but I wont be allowed back. what a shame. I do a good deed, and am struck down. all of the messages the oppressed put on the message board, asking for reform and a rebellion, in addition to the liberation cries of certain nations, which I answered, have been removed.

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

Thought transference

Hi Zyonn, where I grew up were also Germans whose mothers still cooked their old style of foods. Very delicious! I loved watching them make pretzels --- roll out the long thin strands of dough, grab each end of a strand, then this movement where they flicked it off the counter, made it twist just right and lower it quickly again onto the counter and then they were folding the ends back onto the loop and pinning them into place with their thumbs. All so fast it was over before I could see it. I never could master those deft movements myself but I loved to watch. Once I asked one lady to show me how and she asked if I wanted to be a baker and when I said no she said "A boy doesn't need to know this if he isn't becoming a baker!" I never asked again.

Have you looked on the net for a tutorial, and maybe a video? I did a quick-and-dirty google and found this:
http://video.answers.com/how-to-twist-pretzels-149463787
I know he's doing it for demo purposes so we have to forgive that he's apparently making a pretzel big enough to shoe an elephant, and that his movements are sluggish (if he did it fast you couldn't see the movements at all). Just an aside: I've eaten Auntie Anne's pretzel once and I don't think I'd do it again if I had a choice. They aren't bad but you can go anywhere between Ohio and NYC and find hundreds of grannies and moms making authentic pretzels in their kitchens that also taste great. But since you have your own recipe all you need is to look at his slow motion version of the flip, practise it with your own dough until it's smooth and fast and easy, and before you know it you'll probably be able to offer friends a choice of traditionally shaped pretzels or crazy 8s. :-)

Good pretzel-making!

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

Thought transference

@AUnited Kingdom RGN: forgive me for a few observations. [1] It's a serious tactical error to go on a board like that one and announce that you're hoping to have reinforcements arrive within the week (!!!) to take the region back. All such things have to be done by stepping softly and without boasting. [2] It's a strategic error to look for outside help to take the region back when there are 30 nations there --- thirty --- and only 2 of them are WA nations, Gottyou and his one and only endorser.

If just 5 or 6 of you had applied to become WA all at once and then very quickly endorsed someone you'd pre-selected to be the first Delegate, he and his supporter(s) would be sitting here now, not you. Then you could start setting up a government and procedures to keep him out. If just 10 of you --- that's not unreasonable --- joined the WA and backed the Delegate Gottyou would have a hard time getting back in. But if you and at least some of the others don't care enough to sign up and kick him out, it's not his fault that he's still in power.

Now that you're here, have some coffee and something to eat --- my treat --- while you decide what to do next. A good thing would be to visit our forum: check out the link in the WFE above. :-)

Waiter! A table and a menu for our new guest!

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

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South ubeka

sits on the same table as Pulsing and pulls a seat up for our new guest =D welcome have a drink its on me =D

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

The Federal Republic of Rolov

Dear nations of TRR, I am here to speak for the Anti-Pacific Nations., we are trying to crash the pacific & would like the help of all who have not been banjected. If you're looking for a new home, we will bring in democracy. If you want to help, telegram me.

Rolov

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

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Post by Scarsaw outpost bravo suppressed by Liberza.

The Avenging Queendom of Mrs Emma Peel

Fresh soft pretzels and Dijon mustard. To die for!

Mescra, Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and 1 otherTHe cHadS

Scarsaw outpost bravo

Dijon muster on pretzels? I understand butter, but mustard? Now that's where I draw the line...

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, Jutlund, and THe cHadS

Thought transference

@Outpost Bravo: nothing to make! The bread isn't baked extra-salty or anything, we use our ordinary but very good bread. So, nothing to mess up. When I've visited others they sometimes have offered me a light flour bread like a Westerner might, but in my family we used a good wheat or rye, sometimes even a pumpernickel if the guest was a friend whom we knew preferred it.

For your purposes you can just pour some salt into the central recessed part of a dry saucer that normally would receive the bottom of a cup. That's not how we do it but all you're trying to do is see how it tastes. Now take a loaf of bread, preferably fresh-baked, and not pre-sliced (well, I've never seen it done with pre-sliced bread but maybe I'm behind the times). Please, don't get some nasty mass-produced bread for this! Our Ukrainian women know so many kinds of bread that will make your taste buds sing and dance, and compared to these or any other properly made bread, stuff like Wonder bread ("I wonder how anyone can eat that stuff?") and all the rest barely deserve to be called "bread". Tear off a decent-sized mouthful. Too small and you imply your host isn't generous! Take that mouthful of bread and dip it onto the salt in the saucer. Do you need to be told what you do next? :-) Now chew, feel the texture, taste the interesting flavours and smell the aromas of the bread. Notice the sensations developing in your mouth as you chew. A good bread will fill not just your mouth but your whole head with good sensations.

As for that silly pretzel, if you look at the video I linked you'll see what I mean. That thing will bake to cover a circle I'd guess to be about a foot across. But the technique is all that matters from it. Zyonn has his own recipe.

Now I'd better get going. Waitress, I'll have a thermos of Colombian coffee, black, to go. Thanks.

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, and THe cHadS

Scarsaw outpost bravo

Fresh bread? I'll have to wait until Friday to grab that. There's a bakery in town that'll be perfect for this as they make the best bread ever! Actually, when I think about it, I think they are Slavic or something like that; They're European for sure. Now I'm looking forward trying this ;D

Rye is a great kind of bread, way better than white. Actually, I can't remember the last time I had white bread as I hate the stuff today. That's all we had when I was growing up, my dad's deadly allergic to whole gains, so I got rather sick of it after elementary school as every day I would have either a cheese sandwich or a PB&J. Seeing how much you praise your Ukrainian bread, and seem to put down the commercial white bread, makes me want to visit your country one day...I would love to taste the various kinds of bread ^^

TRR has a waitress? I'll have to remember to bring my wallet next time I visit.

Coppatilism, Cancel nationstates, and THe cHadS

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