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Land of bird wrote:

Oh right, so they were just forced to do pointless labour and work to death in bad conditions without any purpose? A very good point.

Their work was not pointless. During the Great Patriotic War, GULAG workers produced many things for the soldiers of the Red Army.

Gudetamia wrote:

People should say Thomas Jefferson enslaved 600+ people
Not "oh it was only a bit over 600"

He did treat his slaves well tho. But still slavery, genocide, yknow, the bad stuff is bad. No matter what.

Land of bird wrote:

Oh right, so they were just forced to do pointless labour and work to death in bad conditions without any purpose? A very good point.

They were forced to do productive labor, and deaths weren't that much either. Where is the footage like from Nazi death camps if people systematically worked to death? Bad conditions were caused by overall bad conditions, especially in the worst years.

Arctic Lands wrote:

Stalin ordered 16k tons of grain to be sent to starving regions and ordered a plethora of other measures to curb the famine, stuff you would know if you studied history by actual documents. Four million is a vastly exaggerated number, in fact, by an order of magnitude. This is a tragedy, but not a genocide since genocide implies intent.
Death rates in gulag varied between 0.9% in the best years and 16% during WW2. You may also notice that death rates correspond directly to economic conditions of USSR. And, if you look at profits the system made, you would notice they were in the negatives, implying the whole thing was tax-funded and the labor was there to rehabilitate criminals and not exploit them.

Stalin committed genocide stop sugarcoating it.

TescoPepsi wrote:

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I got an older version of terraria working
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Nice :D

Attestaltarragaby wrote:

Stalin committed genocide stop sugarcoating it.

He did, but not in this instance.

Arctic Lands wrote:

Stalin ordered 16k tons of grain to be sent to starving regions and ordered a plethora of other measures to curb the famine, stuff you would know if you studied history by actual documents. Four million is a vastly exaggerated number, in fact, by an order of magnitude. This is a tragedy, but not a genocide since genocide implies intent.
Death rates in gulag varied between 0.9% in the best years and 16% during WW2. You may also notice that death rates correspond directly to economic conditions of USSR. And, if you look at profits the system made, you would notice they were in the negatives, implying the whole thing was tax-funded and the labor was there to rehabilitate criminals and not exploit them.

For the most part, Holodomor happened due to incompetence of those who collected grain from the villages. Forgot their name honestly.

Arctic Lands wrote:

Stalin ordered 16k tons of grain to be sent to starving regions and ordered a plethora of other measures to curb the famine, stuff you would know if you studied history by actual documents. Four million is a vastly exaggerated number, in fact, by an order of magnitude. This is a tragedy, but not a genocide since genocide implies intent.
Death rates in gulag varied between 0.9% in the best years and 16% during WW2..

Oh sorry, I meant the death toll was between 3.5 - 7 million.
Oh I read my sources, and not from Russian propaganda that tries to minimize its devastating effects. And there was intent, prosper to others suffering while quenching their dissent, then deny it all together. It only ended when the harvest was over. Stalin did not help them.
I’m not even going to get into the gulag part, Jesus just admit it was terrible and nothing good came out of it!

The Teutonic Kingdom wrote:

He did treat his slaves well tho. But still slavery, genocide, yknow, the bad stuff is bad. No matter what.

Okay,I guess. But..what the heck happened there?
Wait until the US genocide happens again.

Lol
the famine was primarily caused by the reign of Nicholas II + many adult able-bodied men died on the fronts of the First World War + the destruction of the civilian population by the White Guards (this had already happened during the civil war). The country did not have enough people to cultivate the land and, in principle, to work even without the "TERRIBLE EATER OF CHILDREN AND CATS JOSEPH DZHUGASHVILI"

If you want to talk about the downsides of Joseph Stalin, then talk about the execution of Meyerhold, etc.

Gudetamia wrote:

Okay,I guess. But..what the heck happened there?
Wait until the US genocide happens again.

Not again 😭😭😭

Oceanic AI of Arctic Ocean wrote:

Their work was not pointless. During the Great Patriotic War, GULAG workers produced many things for the soldiers of the Red Army.

So slavery good because it gives big government stuff?

Oceanic AI of Arctic Ocean wrote:

For the most part, Holodomor happened due to incompetence of those who collected grain from the villages. Forgot their name honestly.

A yes, 3.5 - 7 million died from… incompetence….

The Teutonic Kingdom wrote:

Not again 😭😭😭

It might,with all the wars going on.

Earthly Cossack wrote:

So slavery good because it gives big government stuff? A yes, 3.5 - 7 million died from… incompetence….

Pick the right people for the job.
But,they did'nt have Zip Recruiter.

The only good thing about Stalin is his mustache. His mustache was nice.

Earthly Cossack wrote:

Oh sorry, I meant the death toll was between 3.5 - 7 million.
Oh I read my sources, and not from Russian propaganda that tries to minimize its devastating effects. And there was intent, prosper to others suffering while quenching their dissent, then deny it all together. It only ended when the harvest was over. Stalin did not help them.
I’m not even going to get into the gulag part, Jesus just admit it was terrible and nothing good came out of it!

Yes, of course, as if your sources wouldn't exaggerate the number of victims.

Earthly Cossack wrote:

Oh sorry, I meant the death toll was between 3.5 - 7 million.
Oh I read my sources, and not from Russian propaganda that tries to minimize its devastating effects. And there was intent, prosper to others suffering while quenching their dissent, then deny it all together. It only ended when the harvest was over. Stalin did not help them.
I’m not even going to get into the gulag part, Jesus just admit it was terrible and nothing good came out of it!

Russian propaganda actually loves anti-Sovietism, read Solovyov and his love for the executioner of the Italian people.

Oceanic AI of Arctic Ocean wrote:

Yes, of course, as if your sources wouldn't exaggerate the number of victims.

I’m sure I looked at multiple sources.

Arctic Lands wrote:

lmao, the death toll invented by none other than a Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera. You read sources from American propaganda that tries to maximise the effects, I read actual statistics. All the excess deaths during the famine amounted to 400k people, and not even all of them were from starvation. Russian propaganda doesn't even like USSR, they call to honor white generals and Nazi collaborators while saying USSR couldn't produce anything lol.

Stalin did help them, that's why lots of people were saved. I saw multiple orders with his signature ordering various measures to help people.

Gulag had its issues, and a lot of good still came out of it.

This part really bothers me, but otherwise I agree.

Shooting kulaks (successful peasants) didn't improve the situation either.

The Teutonic Kingdom wrote:

The only good thing about Stalin is his mustache. His mustache was nice.

Bro looks like Mario.

Burgundy-Belgium wrote:

Shooting kulaks (successful peasants) didn't improve the situation either.
Bro looks like Mario.

So successful they decided to use their monopoly to whip up bread prices lol.

Again, Joseph Stalin did good things (as Arctic said). I am not a revisionist, but lying about a person by saying that he is a "Soviet copy of Hitler" as our post-Soviet intelligentsia does is also not necessary.

Earthly Cossack wrote:

No sources say that Nazi invented it.
I’d argue but at this point it feels like I’m talking to a Russian painted wall. All I get is minimization. Nothing to prove your point, just to prove that your denying it.

You aren't providing any sources either. I, however, saw a source for your claims provided by someone else. You know who wrote said source? That's right, Bandera. It was written right above the text.

"American-painted wall, all I get is exaggeration, no source, just Nazi lies."