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The Atheist Refugi Belter Colony of Inaros OPA

Easian negas wrote:Hello!

Greetings, beltalowda.

Typica, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, and 4 othersJunitaki-cho, Laisou, Kariforunia, and Parapollacis

The Socialist Solarpunk Society of Sylh Alanor

Easian negas wrote:Hello!

Hi there, welcome!

Melenavenia, Araine, Junitaki-cho, Laisou, and 2 othersKariforunia, and Inaros OPA

Msr in refugia

Hey, who makes the visual identity of Refugia? Because I want to personally congratulate whoever it is because we're soon going to propose a visual revamp in Forest and the visual style of Refugia was a big motivator/inspiration. It just looks so nice it's basically eye candy.

Also, I'm frankly shocked nobody voted chocolate on the current poll...

The Republic of Melenavenia

Easian negas wrote:Hello!

Hi!

Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Junitaki-cho, and 4 othersLaisou, Kariforunia, Msr in refugia, and Inaros OPA

Vystrania

Easian negas wrote:Hello!

Hello there.

Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, and 4 othersJunitaki-cho, Laisou, Kariforunia, and Msr in refugia

The Atheist Refugi Belter Colony of Inaros OPA

Vystrania wrote:Hello there.

General Kenobi. You are a bold one.

Typica, Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, and 5 othersAraine, Laisou, Vystrania, Kariforunia, and Msr in refugia

Surely not a puppet

♫we all go where the buffalo go♫

The Fanciful Tales of Refuge Isle

Surely not a puppet wrote:♫we all go where the buffalo go♫

Where do the buffalo go though? 🤔

Chacapoya, Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, and 4 othersAraine, Michelland, Junitaki-cho, and Kariforunia

The Republic of Melenavenia

Given what happened recently where I used to live in Florida and the fact that was supposed to be long-term storage for the phosphate contaminated water, I'll be voting against the current GA resolution at vote.

Chacapoya, Narwhal, Araine, and Kariforunia

The Socialist Solarpunk Society of Sylh Alanor

Melenavenia wrote:Given what happened recently where I used to live in Florida and the fact that was supposed to be long-term storage for the phosphate contaminated water, I'll be voting against the current GA resolution at vote.

Even beyond the personal reasons to vote against, there are plenty of others. I took a look at this last night before casting my vote (Against) and it's just... not constructed well. The writing is sloppy, it chooses to define things that don't need defining (NGO), and it doesn't actually do anything. Take a look at these clauses under 'Hereby legislates that':

wrote:In the event that businesses cannot acquire a storage facility, national governments and NGOs are encouraged to provide for them by constructing facilities or bunkers around their country.

wrote:NGOs and national governments are encouraged to invest time and resources in assisting in the effort to an non-contained waste-free world.

wrote:Subsidization from the World Assembly and willing governments of member-states are encouraged, in order to advance towards the goal of a non-contained waste-free world.

I probably didn't need to bold the problem here, but encouraging isn't actually legislating. You don't write a proposal in the GA with the intention of legislating the governments that are in favour of what you're proposing. You write the proposal with the intention of regulating the governments that wouldn't normally do the right thing in this case. So all in all, at least from my one read-through, I can't see a reason for me to vote in favour of this. The goals might be fine, but to my eyes, the proposal absolutely is not.

Also, something Natalie pointed out in the discord server:

wrote:PRODUCED WASTE - Any kind of waste discharged from factories and other industrial zones that has the potential to become a problem, e.g. toxic waste, nuclear waste, polluted waste, etc.

Surely not a puppet

Refuge Isle wrote:Where do the buffalo go though? 🤔

♫♫Doro, South Sudan♫♫

The Dominion of Chacapoya

Refuge Isle wrote:Where do the buffalo go though? 🤔

Got a couple herds about 30 miles from my place, maybe that's it.

The Enchanted Forest of Araine

Welcome, Declandban, Akeshima, Lethedral, Feska, Banchuria, Natlean, Kalmykoya, Easian negas, Nissan marino, Starfa, Sortani, Nether budgerigar, Dancin is what to do, Minskievian Refugees, and Chill and cool vibes, to Refugia! I hope all of you enjoy your stays. If it applies to you, please pay attention to the rest of this message.

Refugia aims to be a friendly, laid-back community, which is open to players of all skill levels. Nations who wish to become more active in the region, however, should consider joining the World Assembly (WA). WA nations are able to vote on international law, and receive exclusive benefits within the region, such as the ability to vote in regional polls and elections, get a spot on Refugia's map, and even run for office when elections come up! If you're interested in joining the WA, check out this article, and make sure to endorse our delegate.

If you'd rather just chill with us, that's perfectly fine as well. We have an offsite forum, as well as frequent discussions on the regional message board (RMB), which everyone is welcome to participate in!

If you have any additional questions about the region or how NationStates works, feel free to leave them here, on the RMB. If you're interested in joining our offsite forum, look for the link at the top of Refugia's World Factbook Entry (the big text box at the top of our regional page).

Once again, I really hope you enjoy your time here, and look forward to seeing more of you soon!

Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Junitaki-cho, and 6 othersLaisou, Pantala and pyrrhia, Republic of central darfur, Kariforunia, Chill and cool vibes, and Minskievian Refugees

The Republic of Melenavenia

My PC cannot handle HOI4 modding apparently

Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Araine, Laisou, and 2 othersGolden gateway, and Kariforunia

The Queendom of Golden gateway

Melenavenia wrote:My PC cannot handle HOI4 modding apparently

We are just too awesome to be handled

Typica, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, and 2 othersAraine, and Kariforunia

Valdonland

Question: I know that Refugia is generaly considered a left-wing region.My question is: which ideology do you support (If you support any)?Not to start any arguments or anything,just out of innocent curiosity.
I am a self-identifying Christian Socialist btw.

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, and 3 othersJunitaki-cho, Kariforunia, and Ciumbuleuit-bandung

The Socialist Solarpunk Society of Sylh Alanor

Valdonland wrote:Question: I know that Refugia is generaly considered a left-wing region.My question is: which ideology do you support (If you support any)?Not to start any arguments or anything,just out of innocent curiosity.
I am a self-identifying Christian Socialist btw.

That's a good question, thanks for asking! I identify as an eco-socialist, but have been told in the past that that's a silly self-identifier, because everyone on the left should be caring about the environment.

Because of that, I usually just say I'm a Democratic Socialist and leave it at that.

Chacapoya, Typica, Melenavenia, Araine, and 3 othersJunitaki-cho, Valdonland, and Kariforunia



Valdonland

Sylh Alanor wrote:That's a good question, thanks for asking! I identify as an eco-socialist, but have been told in the past that that's a silly self-identifier, because everyone on the left should be caring about the environment.

Because of that, I usually just say I'm a Democratic Socialist and leave it at that.

I see.My own environmental concerns started growing in the last couple of years.And I agree that every leftist should care about the environment.Well,I guess every human being should care about the environment regardless of ideology but we have to start from somewere.

The Fanciful Tales of Refuge Isle

Msr in refugia wrote:Hey, who makes the visual identity of Refugia? Because I want to personally congratulate whoever it is because we're soon going to propose a visual revamp in Forest and the visual style of Refugia was a big motivator/inspiration. It just looks so nice it's basically eye candy.

Also, I'm frankly shocked nobody voted chocolate on the current poll...

Oh, sorry I missed this, I've been a bit distracted. I made most of the visual elements for the region, flag, WFE, headers, footers, other images and BB Code. Sylh Alanor did a substantial amount of work in the writing department, particularly for the master dispatch and the FA dispatch.

Kariforunia

パルチザンの歌が頭に残っている.

"Bella Ciao" is stuck in my head. The global socialist of the 20th century or just the global left made good songs.

Valdonland wrote:Question: I know that Refugia is generaly considered a left-wing region.My question is: which ideology do you support (If you support any)?Not to start any arguments or anything,just out of innocent curiosity.
I am a self-identifying Christian Socialist btw.

I'd say something akin to the syndicalist beliefs but more mixed with democracy socialism of the west. But Christian Socialism sounds interesting! I'd like to know more about Christian Socialism.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Junitaki-cho, and Pantala and pyrrhia



Valdonland

Kariforunia wrote:パルチザンの歌が頭に残っている.

"Bella Ciao" is stuck in my head. The global socialist of the 20th century or just the global left made good songs.

I'd say something akin to the syndicalist beliefs but more mixed with democracy socialism of the west. But Christian Socialism sounds interesting! I'd like to know more about Christian Socialism.

I've actually incorporated a lot of syndicalist thoughts in my beliefs.I'm all about co-ops and unions.As for Christian Socialism,as the name implies,is an ideology that combines elements of Christian theology with socialist thinking.We generally believe that capitalism is an idolatrous system rooted in greed and materialism.Due to the many Christian denominations that exist (Protestands,Catholics etc) and the many different theological systems,Christian Socialism can vary considerably from country to country depending on the dominant form of Christianity in that place.You may have heard of the "Liberation theology" movement of South America,that was inspired by Catholic social teaching and was a form of Christian Socialism.I am personally inspired by Eastern Orthodox theology (an Eastern orthodox myself).We believe that all people are equal and should be considered brothers and sisters,since we are all are the creations of the same God.Other than that,the ideology supports generally left-wing ideas,like the welfare system,trade unionism,environmentalism,internationalism etc. Some CS are actually secularists who believe that there is no need for a state to exist in order to enforce religion (these are more like Christian anarchists tbh) some others support a state religion.It really depends on the religious ideas and the person that supports them most times.

Melenavenia, Araine, Pantala and pyrrhia, and Kariforunia



The Republic of Melenavenia

I don't try to define myself with a belief or ideology because I feel it will narrow my worldview. I try to take things on a case by case basis. For example, a very relevant issue at the moment is "vaccine passports". You'll often find many conservatives are against vaccine passports, including my absolutely annoying governor, Ron DeSantis, and I am with them on that issue. I feel that it is an unacceptable abridgment of personal freedoms. Now, another thing many conservatives are also against is requiring vaccination (post-COVID times because not everyone has acceptable access to the COVID-19 vaccine) to be enrolled into school if the student is eligible/able to get the vaccine. I am for requiring this.

Araine, Pantala and pyrrhia, Valdonland, and Kariforunia

Pantala and pyrrhia

Valdonland wrote:Question: I know that Refugia is generaly considered a left-wing region.My question is: which ideology do you support (If you support any)?Not to start any arguments or anything,just out of innocent curiosity.
I am a self-identifying Christian Socialist btw.

I’m mostly an independent and primarily make opinions on issues on a case by case basis and not on whether a particular party agrees with them or not, like Melenavenia.
I’d say that if there was a title I’m closest to being a centrist since I have views from both sides. It can get funny because depending on what issue I’m talking about with people, I’ve been accused of being both a conservative and a liberal.

Melenavenia, Araine, Valdonland, and Kariforunia

The Republic of Melenavenia

I can't believe I wrote out a full message here and forgot a very important last sentence

Chacapoya, Typica, Araine, and Kariforunia

Bapaving

I myself tend to oscillate more towards left-wing anarchism with Georgist traces, though anarchism in the present time is mostly politically ineffective. So I tend to associate myself with specific causes on a case-by-case basis rather than being a card-carrying member of any political movement. I am not even convinced at the moment of whether parties are actually useful instruments of political change, to be honest, though they have a couple points in their favor.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, Free Las Pinas II, and 2 othersValdonland, and Kariforunia

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