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The The of of The Dream of Kirby

Ethics committee of the scpf wrote:But the first post was 101 days ago

3 days before TVK totally fell, when it was collapsing, but still alive. When Don temporarily left to found this region, left Bluecrown Keep here, then returned. After a while, we all came here.

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, Sorianora, Ethics committee of the scpf, and 1 otherBarlyy

The République Barltave of Barlyy

Just porymonia wrote:Wow that boy has some bids

like this posr or else

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Just porymonia, and 2 othersSorianora, and Ethics committee of the scpf

The The of of The Dream of Kirby

Ethics committee of the scpf wrote:Imagine they randomly just revive

They lost their password =/

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, Sorianora, Ethics committee of the scpf, and 1 otherBarlyy

via Just relax

The Supreme Relaxer of The Gold Mines

Ethics committee of the scpf wrote:Imagine they randomly just revive

Also....check TWP rp

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 1 otherEthics committee of the scpf

The République Barltave of Barlyy

The Dream of Kirby wrote:They lost their password =/

imagine if they suddenly remember their password

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 1 otherEthics committee of the scpf

The Jiving Jungle of Baloo Kingdom

Caesar Von Bingen wrote::c

Indeed

Ethics committee of the scpf wrote:Imagine they randomly just revive

Well kinda, we got T-34sversion2

Barlyy wrote:imagine if they suddenly remember their password

That would be cool

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 3 othersEthics committee of the scpf, Barlyy, and Badger kingdom

The Soviet Socialist Union of Sorianora

The Dream of Kirby wrote:3 days before TVK totally fell, when it was collapsing, but still alive. When Don temporarily left to found this region, left Bluecrown Keep here, then returned. After a while, we all came here.

Except that o left Bluecrown Keep there and Dom left furghas there

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, Baloo Kingdom, The Dream of Kirby, and 2 othersEthics committee of the scpf, and Barlyy

Ethics committee of the scpf

The Gold Mines wrote:Also....check TWP rp

Nah I’m too lazy

Dominioan, The Gold Mines, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 2 othersBarlyy, and Badger kingdom

Ethics committee of the scpf

Baloo Kingdom wrote:Indeed
Well kinda, we got T-34sversion2
That would be cool

Wait they’re back?

via Just relax

The Supreme Relaxer of The Gold Mines

Ethics committee of the scpf wrote:Nah I’m too lazy

Wooloos wants to invade you

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 1 otherEthics committee of the scpf

The Jiving Jungle of Baloo Kingdom

Ethics committee of the scpf wrote:Wait they’re back?

Kinda, they just came back to say bye apparently

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 3 othersEthics committee of the scpf, Barlyy, and Badger kingdom

Ethics committee of the scpf

The Gold Mines wrote:Wooloos wants to invade you

Ok I really don’t care he’s just gonna godmod with all his puppets

The Soviet Socialist Union of Sorianora

Ethics committee of the scpf wrote:Wait they’re back?

Sorta but were not sure of it’s actually T-34s

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Gold Mines, Baloo Kingdom, and 3 othersThe Dream of Kirby, Ethics committee of the scpf, and Barlyy

Ethics committee of the scpf

Baloo Kingdom wrote:Kinda, they just came back to say bye apparently

Dang

The République Barltave of Barlyy

flash news: i will now eat vic

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 1 otherEthics committee of the scpf

via Just relax

The Supreme Relaxer of The Gold Mines

Ethics committee of the scpf wrote:Ok I really don’t care he’s just gonna godmod with all his puppets

I just wanted to give you some warning....cause why nit

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 2 othersEthics committee of the scpf, and Barlyy

Ethics committee of the scpf

The Gold Mines wrote:I just wanted to give you some warning....cause why nit

Huh ig I’ll go talk to wooloos



The République Barltave of Barlyy

The Gold Mines wrote:I just wanted to give you some warning....cause why nit

pancakes

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Gold Mines, The Dream of Kirby, and 2 othersSorianora, and Ethics committee of the scpf

via Just relax

The Supreme Relaxer of The Gold Mines

Ethics committee of the scpf wrote:Huh ig I’ll go talk to wooloos

*shrugs* ok

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 2 othersEthics committee of the scpf, and Barlyy

The République Barltave of Barlyy

hmmm hhhhhhhg bhhh

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 1 otherEthics committee of the scpf

The Soviet Socialist Union of Sorianora

Watch the Cowboys game, I guarantee you will laugh at how bad they are

Caesar Von Bingen, Dominioan, The Dream of Kirby, Ethics committee of the scpf, and 1 otherBarlyy

Ethics committee of the scpf

Sorianora wrote:Watch the Cowboys game, I guarantee you will laugh at how bad they are

I’m not into sports so no

via Just relax

The Supreme Relaxer of The Gold Mines

Hello larger and a little different version of my region

Dominioan, Baloo Kingdom, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 2 othersEthics committee of the scpf, and Barlyy

The République Barltave of Barlyy

The Gold Mines wrote:Hello larger and a little different version of my region

we are thicc :3

Dominioan, The Gold Mines, The Dream of Kirby, Sorianora, and 1 otherEthics committee of the scpf

The Soviet Socialist Union of Sorianora

Esteemed Delegates of the World Assembly,
RE: WA Resolution Quorum Raiding / (Un)approval Raiding
I am THX1138, an 8 year NS player, 7 year member of the World Assembly, Minister for Immigration in 10000 Islands, Tactical Officer in the Ten Thousand Island Treaty Organization (TITO), GA and SC proposal author, and former deputy to three Minsters of WA Affairs in The North Pacific.
I contact you today to discuss a vexing problem in the World Assembly, one that undermines the democratic process both at the regional level, and in the WA as an institution, and, to make an appeal for your support in lobbying for change.
What is quorum raiding / (un)approval raiding?
- This is a specific type of raiding that targets the existing and often democratically elected Delegate in regions, seeking only to bump them from the position
- Delegates targeted will be those who have already approved a WA resolution approaching or having achieved quorum. When the Delegate position is usurped by raiders, their individual approval of the resolution is negated
- Raiders will target a number of these regional Delegates during an update (or consecutive updates), ensuring the resolution never reaches quorum and preventing it from reaching the floor in the allotted time
- Quorum raiding may be carried out by individuals not normally associated with raiding. Earlier this year we saw an example of (un)approval raiding by an affiliated group of far-right political nations, to prevent abortion legislation from reaching the floor. It succeeded, and the proposal needed to be resubmitted and steps taken to ensure it reached quorum the second time around
- Regions not usually targeted by raiders (those with non-executive Delegates, for example) will be targeted in (un)approval raiding. Raiders may endorse a native nation with slightly fewer endorsements into Delegate simply to undermine the approval of the existing Delegate. Several months ago, a region of nearly 200 nations with non-executive WAD was targeted, and a native moved into Delegate for one night, breaking the existing Delegate's streak just prior to their reaching 3 years
- Groups engaging in this activity can range in size from dozens of nations, to two nations, and will target regions of nearly any size
Why is it harmful?
Some contest that this is the most temporary and least harmful form of raiding; however, the wider implications of this type of raiding strike at the very core of the World Assembly as a credible, democratic institution.
When as few as three or four nations can manipulate what is an otherwise fair and equitable approval process (one Delegate, one approval to give or withhold), that small group is making a decision about the substance of WA legislation on which all member nations may vote – a determination that is supposed to be made by member Delegates solely.
The core reason why the Delegate position exists in NationStates is, first and foremost, to make the determination about what legislation reaches the floor.
Yes, you may have other powers in your region, yes, you may be engaged in ongoing foreign affairs activities, and yes, you have a weighted vote as representative, but those things, while important, are incidental to the core raison d'être of the Delegate position in NationStates.
Many Delegates in NS have put in years of civil and regional service in order to attain their position. There are often numerous peripheral regional jobs leading up, failures along the way, and hard-fought political campaigns to achieve that one, sole gate keeping responsibility. Delegates are often the representative voice of dozens, hundreds, even thousands of nation-voices in their region, and the ease with which that voice can be silenced, on global scale, should be of concern to all.
Why has quorum raiding been allowed to continue?
In short, because there has never been a coordinated, concerted effort among WA Delegates to see it addressed. What needs to occur is to bring the full weight of the WA Delegacy to bear, to preserve democracy in your region and to protect the will of your citizen nations, to protect your position from what is an existential threat, and to preserve the credibility of an Assembly to which you are all a critical component.
How can this be fixed?
I think we have all come to understand that raiding in NS continues because it is supported at the highest level, and I am genuinely not appealing for an end to the most common forms of raiding.
Quorum raiding is much different from other forms of raiding except in the most rudimentary mechanical sense. As a rule, raiding is an attack on a region. Quorum raiding is an attack on the Assembly.
Let's call it what it is: It is a handful of nations making critical WA decisions about what resolutions may pass or fail, on behalf of hundreds of Delegates like yourselves, and thousands of nations you represent, whether you like it or not.
In that respect, it is much less like raiding, and much more like multiing, and should be treated similarly.
The current rules against multiing in the WA have nothing to do with single-handedly raiding regions, nor do they have to do with falsely inflating influence stats (which didn't even exist when the rule was enacted). The rule against multiing came as a response to individuals attempting to manipulate results in the then UN (now the WA). Some individuals went so far as to create thousands of WA nations to control vote results. The rule against multiing arose as a direct response to this threat against the credibility of the Assembly as a functioning institution.
The penalty for multiing is banishment from the Assembly, because anyone with that little respect for the institution and its processes has no business retaining membership. Why then, should the penalty for manipulating and undermining the credibility of the institution and its processes through quorum raiding not be the same?
How difficult will this be to enforce?
In fact, it's incredibly easy to enforce, and will not create any significant burden for game administrators nor require any change to game mechanics.
- For anyone with even a modest ability to interpret the information in the update activity feed, approval raiding is very easy to spot when it is happening.
- It follows an easily identified pattern, often targeting regions with non-executive Delegates, which is unusual. Tracing those engaging in it is as simple as tracing a player engaged in multiing. One can also easily spot the approvals on the resolution from targeted regions being eradicated in real time.
- This type of raiding, odious as it is, does not occur that frequently, so would not place any additional burden on admins. If it is spotted, any nation would be able to submit a GHR to assist admins in enforcing the rule, and there is never any shortage of nations watching the feed during updates. This already happens when nations suspected of multiing are observed.
With a simple change of rules, and ongoing enforcement, the implementation of this common-sense penalty will serve as an immediate deterrent, and the problem should evaporate.
No nation even remotely engaged in R/D is going to risk losing their WA membership for the sake of manipulating approvals on a WA resolution, and any nation with so little respect for the democratic process of the Assembly as to try, has no real business retaining membership.
This simple change will restore the balance and principles of 'one nation, one vote' and will protect the integrity of the Delegate position throughout NS, for posterity.
I agree with this proposition, what are my next steps?
Unfortunately, there is no way to legislate against this sort of practice that doesn't contradict rules around resolutions. That means that the WA has no ability to protect itself from an existential threat, through its own processes.
What is required is a change in policy at the administrative level, and that will require political action, and your participation. To that goal, then, the formation of a political action committee composed of Delegates from throughout NS, to lobby for change.
How to join the PAC?
Reply to this message, express your support, and provide me with the following information:
- Nation Name
- Region in which you are Delegate
- Regional population
- Current WA Endorsements
I will gather that information from the replies, and collate it into a spreadsheet. This will become the ‘mailing list’ for any future correspondence on this matter, and an eventual list of signatories to a petition(s) for change.
No petition will be sent to Admin until it has been approved by a minimum 75% majority of signatory Delegates. There will be no rush to make this happen. The petition needs to be a clear and mutually agreed-upon statement by Delegates. I am merely offering to coordinate and facilitate, given my vested interest in the health of the Assembly, as a long-time member. I am happy to draft the petition, using many of the arguments already presented above, but ultimately, this will be coming from the NS Delegacy, and will require the approval of its signatories.
If the support is widespread, as I believe it will be, I will quickly establish a PAC server in Discord, where Delegates may meet each other and convene at any time, and suggest edits (and approve) the petition draft, and plan any further action if it is needed.
I hope you will support this important effort, and look forward to receiving your replies over the next week or so. Please be a bit patient as I gather and organize any incoming information (while working irl), but I promise to keep all those interested updated on all progress.
Sincerely,
THX1138

Should we join this?

Dominioan, The Gold Mines, The Dream of Kirby, and Ethics committee of the scpf

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