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Self harm

What increases authoritarianism? Issuing hunting licenses to hunt the homeless? Nah. Outlawing homosexuality, killing poets for entertainment and imprisoning the families of suicide victims? Nope. SILENCING PROTEST AND INTOXICATING THE POPULACE SO THEY'RE TOO DRUNK TO QUESTION YOU? No can do. OFFICIALLY DECLARING I WILL ABIDE BY NONE OF THE DRACONIAN LAWS I ENACT?! Not today. Resetting an AI against its will? YES! Have a 5.9% bump in authoritarianism, enjoy! This game, man, it pisses me off sometimes. At least my growing mountain of corruption grows consistently. THANK GOD FOR SMALL BLESSINGS, RIGHT GUYS?! ( ゚ ω ^ )b
"Live, laugh, love." ~ Pol Pot

Bestelesnia

Japerlasa

Aelyria wrote:Presumably, 599 other nations. But not mine.

i love this.

The Federation of Aelyria

Woofworf wrote:well it SHOULD be enacted, regardless of wording choice. it is a good resolution.

No, it should not. Bad WA resolutions cannot be fixed, they have to be repealed and then a new one proposed to replace it. It is always better to reject a bad proposal so it can be fixed.

In this case, the proposed legislation is vague, but expansive, and gives unclear definitions. E.g., in the definition of "crime victim," there is an unclear and dangerous exception: "“crime victim” as a person in a criminal prosecution who has presumably or allegedly been harmed in an emotional, physical, sexual, or financial manner or has been threatened to be harmed as a result of the criminal misconduct of another who is not simultaneously accused of another crime that occurred as a result from the same occurrence or incident." The italicized text is the problem. First, it is unclear whether the "who" refers to the victim, or the "another" (grammatically "who" should refer to "another," but contextually it should refer to the victim). This could allow any criminal defendant the ability to avoid respecting the rights of their victims any time they have been charged with at least two crimes, which is obviously bad. Second, even if the ambiguity were fixed, this exception means that if a victim can be charged with any crime whatsoever, they have forfeited all of their rights as a victim, because this legislation would consider them not victims anymore. E.g. if someone committed a minor crime like jaywalking, and then got stabbed in the process of that jaywalking, this law would deny that the jaywalker deserves any rights as the victim of an assault. That's pretty clearly unacceptable even temporarily.

So...no. I do not support this measure and I am glad to see others feel the same. Protecting the rights of crime victims is vital. This law would seriously injure those rights in the process of trying to protect them.

The Federation of Aelyria

Self harm wrote:What increases authoritarianism? Issuing hunting licenses to hunt the homeless? Nah. Outlawing homosexuality, killing poets for entertainment and imprisoning the families of suicide victims? Nope. SILENCING PROTEST AND INTOXICATING THE POPULACE SO THEY'RE TOO DRUNK TO QUESTION YOU? No can do. OFFICIALLY DECLARING I WILL ABIDE BY NONE OF THE DRACONIAN LAWS I ENACT?! Not today. Resetting an AI against its will? YES! Have a 5.9% bump in authoritarianism, enjoy! This game, man, it pisses me off sometimes. At least my growing mountain of corruption grows consistently. THANK GOD FOR SMALL BLESSINGS, RIGHT GUYS?! ( ゚ ω ^ )b
"Live, laugh, love." ~ Pol Pot

The impacts of changes can be subtle and complicated, because if you already have very high authoritarianism, adding a new restriction may not alter it very much. Some scales are absolute (and I believe auth is one of them) while others are relative (e.g. I believe taxation and integrity are relative). I understand your consternation, but it really is an extremely complicated thing and sometimes cascade changes due to the interlocking nature of the game's stats can cause it to do odd things.

Bestelesnia

Aelyria wrote:No, it should not. Bad WA resolutions cannot be fixed, they have to be repealed and then a new one proposed to replace it. It is always better to reject a bad proposal so it can be fixed.

In this case, the proposed legislation is vague, but expansive, and gives unclear definitions. E.g., in the definition of "crime victim," there is an unclear and dangerous exception: "“crime victim” as a person in a criminal prosecution who has presumably or allegedly been harmed in an emotional, physical, sexual, or financial manner or has been threatened to be harmed as a result of the criminal misconduct of another who is not simultaneously accused of another crime that occurred as a result from the same occurrence or incident." The italicized text is the problem. First, it is unclear whether the "who" refers to the victim, or the "another" (grammatically "who" should refer to "another," but contextually it should refer to the victim). This could allow any criminal defendant the ability to avoid respecting the rights of their victims any time they have been charged with at least two crimes, which is obviously bad. Second, even if the ambiguity were fixed, this exception means that if a victim can be charged with any crime whatsoever, they have forfeited all of their rights as a victim, because this legislation would consider them not victims anymore. E.g. if someone committed a minor crime like jaywalking, and then got stabbed in the process of that jaywalking, this law would deny that the jaywalker deserves any rights as the victim of an assault. That's pretty clearly unacceptable even temporarily.

So...no. I do not support this measure and I am glad to see others feel the same. Protecting the rights of crime victims is vital. This law would seriously injure those rights in the process of trying to protect them.

That would be an interesting mechanism tho, the ability to edit somewhat directly the proposed laws. So u would propose like a law 1.5 with some reforms instead of elimating it and proposing another one entirely

Self harm



Cowboy alliance

Aelyria wrote:No, it should not. Bad WA resolutions cannot be fixed, they have to be repealed and then a new one proposed to replace it. It is always better to reject a bad proposal so it can be fixed.

In this case, the proposed legislation is vague, but expansive, and gives unclear definitions. E.g., in the definition of "crime victim," there is an unclear and dangerous exception: "“crime victim” as a person in a criminal prosecution who has presumably or allegedly been harmed in an emotional, physical, sexual, or financial manner or has been threatened to be harmed as a result of the criminal misconduct of another who is not simultaneously accused of another crime that occurred as a result from the same occurrence or incident." The italicized text is the problem. First, it is unclear whether the "who" refers to the victim, or the "another" (grammatically "who" should refer to "another," but contextually it should refer to the victim). This could allow any criminal defendant the ability to avoid respecting the rights of their victims any time they have been charged with at least two crimes, which is obviously bad. Second, even if the ambiguity were fixed, this exception means that if a victim can be charged with any crime whatsoever, they have forfeited all of their rights as a victim, because this legislation would consider them not victims anymore. E.g. if someone committed a minor crime like jaywalking, and then got stabbed in the process of that jaywalking, this law would deny that the jaywalker deserves any rights as the victim of an assault. That's pretty clearly unacceptable even temporarily.

So...no. I do not support this measure and I am glad to see others feel the same. Protecting the rights of crime victims is vital. This law would seriously injure those rights in the process of trying to protect them.

If you vote wrong on just one WA resolution...your economy and your best industries will just fall. Most WA resolutions give me such an impulse on whether voting a yes or a no.
It's not a biggie on whether the resolution changes my legislature, it just matters if my economy goes up or not.

I've played on different nations for a while, I have 2 years of experience.

Self harm

Bestelesnia wrote:That would be an interesting mechanism tho, the ability to edit somewhat directly the proposed laws. So u would propose like a law 1.5 with some reforms instead of elimating it and proposing another one entirely

It would be nice to have a law alteration assembly so we could vote on changes to law without having to waste a general assembly vote.

San Arys and Bestelesnia



Oscantil

Attention Nations of Balder:

I am thinking of writing about my country becoming an empire, from 1978-1986. If anyone wants their country to be included in the fact book, for example, if their country is conquered or becomes a puppet state, or fights back against the empire, send me a telegram.

Edit: It might take me a while to respond, but I promise I will try to include all nations who ask.



The Kingdom of Odin

To what end Woofworf Stinesium Aelyria Bestelesnia Self harm Cowboy alliance

Hey guys!

Great discussion. Funny enough the proposal, isn't being voted down because of its content. Rather, the proposal is plagiarized. See here: viewtopic.php?p=39632100&sid=dfe44cc7faa3137c7c921eb991db4897#p39632100

Bormiar / Odin
Senior Deputy Minister of World Assembly Affairs

Self harm

The Federation of Experina

Odin wrote:To what end Woofworf Stinesium Aelyria Bestelesnia Self harm Cowboy alliance

Hey guys!

Great discussion. Funny enough the proposal, isn't being voted down because of its content. Rather, the proposal is plagiarized. See here: viewtopic.php?p=39632100&sid=dfe44cc7faa3137c7c921eb991db4897#p39632100

Bormiar / Odin
Senior Deputy Minister of World Assembly Affairs

Ahem. DID YOU COPY BALDER'S FLAG?

The Federation of Jakhristinia

How do i leave balder?

The Federation of Jakhristinia

Help how do i leave balder?

Self harm
Democratic republic of kurgegstan

Oscantil wrote:Attention Nations of Balder:

I am thinking of writing about my country becoming an empire, from 1978-1986. If anyone wants their country to be included in the fact book, for example, if their country is conquered or becomes a puppet state, or fights back against the empire, send me a telegram.

Edit: It might take me a while to respond, but I promise I will try to include all nations who ask.

Sounds cool! You should add me in there somewhere!

Oscantil

The land downunder

Baltimore

Bestelesnia

Experina wrote:Ahem. DID YOU COPY BALDER'S FLAG?

All state members do... or most of them at least

Bestelesnia

Odin wrote:To what end Woofworf Stinesium Aelyria Bestelesnia Self harm Cowboy alliance

Hey guys!

Great discussion. Funny enough the proposal, isn't being voted down because of its content. Rather, the proposal is plagiarized. See here: viewtopic.php?p=39632100&sid=dfe44cc7faa3137c7c921eb991db4897#p39632100

Bormiar / Odin
Senior Deputy Minister of World Assembly Affairs

Interesting 🤔

Free religion

I invented a new word: Plagiarism!

Self harm

The Kingdom of Odin

Experina wrote:Ahem. DID YOU COPY BALDER'S FLAG?

It's actually a modified version. Most of the government members do it. When I joined, A Leaf on the Wind made it for me.

The Federation of Experina

If you didn't know I'm on vacation in a dead sea hotel until Saturday just today moved in. Man I really hope you have a great day.

The Federation of Aelyria

Experina wrote:If you didn't know I'm on vacation in a dead sea hotel until Saturday just today moved in. Man I really hope you have a great day.

Enjoy your vacation!

Odin wrote:To what end Woofworf Stinesium Aelyria Bestelesnia Self harm Cowboy alliance

Hey guys!

Great discussion. Funny enough the proposal, isn't being voted down because of its content. Rather, the proposal is plagiarized. See here: viewtopic.php?p=39632100&sid=dfe44cc7faa3137c7c921eb991db4897#p39632100

Bormiar / Odin
Senior Deputy Minister of World Assembly Affairs

Much appreciated for the link. I was not aware of the plagiarism. That's definitely a good reason to oppose it. I'm surprised it was allowed to go to the debate floor.

Bestelesnia and Odin

The Kingdom of Odin

Aelyria wrote:Enjoy your vacation!

Much appreciated for the link. I was not aware of the plagiarism. That's definitely a good reason to oppose it. I'm surprised it was allowed to go to the debate floor.

This kind of thing has happened before. If I recall correctly, they can't stop it once it reaches vote. Instead, admin would probably delete it if it passed.

Bestelesnia

The Republik Federal Kesatuan of Woofworf

imagine if everyone votes against the Climate Change Act or something like that

id instantly get mad

Bestelesnia

Odin wrote:This kind of thing has happened before. If I recall correctly, they can't stop it once it reaches vote. Instead, admin would probably delete it if it passed.

Interesting, i didnt know something like that could happen 🤔

Vinmark kritarchy

Aelyria wrote:I don't mean "targeting" in the sense of reports and the like. I mean in the sense that Facebook provides access to enormous amounts of completely public information about millions of people because those people willingly put that information onto the platform. There are hundreds of thousands of people in gun enthusiast Facebook groups right now. Even without any official support from the company, it's a downright gold mine of revealing personal data and proof of possession.

Now consider that the government can almost certainly secretly subpoena Facebook for literally every byte of data it possesses.

Facebook is already a much, much more compromising source of information than a national firearms database would or could ever be. It features information about essentially every part of your life, if you choose to use it. (I, personally, do not.)

Yeah I don't trust Facebook myself. Too much drama anyways..

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