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 The Pirates of Xyanth | By the time we done with all that waiting, the game will be over. As for forcing Russia to "stop their human rights abuses," after you are finished defining some of those "human rights," and convincing me there is such a thing as "human rights," what "rights" we should be imposing on another sovereign nation. Then could you tell me why the United States, with plenty of our own problems right now, should be imposing our view of right and wrong on Russia. I anxiously await enlightenment. | |
| Ancapadonia | Not himself, that's for sure. He was found hanged in his cell. McAfee, on multiple occasions, said he would never commit suicide and that if he was found dead, it was because he'd been murdered. His last public message said he was in good spirits. He told his wife shortly before his death that he'd call her later that night. Doesn't sound like someone who was suicidal. | |
| New valgrad | Ok, so here's the literal copy-and-paste definition of human rights according to the United Nations. Human rights are rights inherent to all human beings, regardless of race, sex, nationality, ethnicity, language, religion, or any other status. Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more. Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination. Over and over again, Russia has shown flagrant abuses of these principles. So there's your definition. And as for your second point. By your logic, since the US shouldn't enforce its "own values" upon other sovereign nations, then the US had no reason whatsoever to take down Hitler, because it would be infringing on his rights. While the US does have immense problems, we still stand as a force of right and good in the world, as we always have and always will. Putin, directly opposed to the principles we are prepared to die for, is our natural enemy. (And by the way, the rhetoric you're using was used by the Chinese delegation to Secretary of State Anthony Blinken during their meetings in February. Maybe take a break from the State News Agency once in a while, Comrade Xyanth!) | |
| The Pirates of Xyanth | ROFL!!! Here's a hint for you. Your definition of "human rights" (along with the UN) is a myth. Let me give you a couple of hints here. —The ONLY "rights" you have are those your local law enforcement and courts are willing to enforce. In reviewing your proposed list of "human rights," I find a number of flaws. Freedom of opinion is fine, but does freedom of expression include tagging buildings with spray paint? Does that freedom include unpermitted blocking the road I am traveling on? Does that freedom include smashing store windows, looting and arson? Does that freedom of expression include forcing those opinions on others uninterested and/or unwilling to listen? How about harassment, assault, battery, and even murder of those who disagree with your opinion? Does the "human right" to be free from slavery include being enslaved to government? Being forced to turn over the fruits of one's labors to the government so that government may give those assets to others who are not working? Where did you, or anyone else for that matter, get it you head that you or anyone else has a "right" to an education? And how much education would that be? Grade school? High school? College or even medical school? And who pays for all that? That same sentence also claims a "right" to work. (Kind of an ironic statement for a liberal to make as most of those support unions.) Can you explain what, exactly you are proposing here? Does this mean a right to whatever job one wants, regardless of qualifications? Does this mean employers must hire on more workers to reduce unemployment regardless of the current needs for labor? Right to work is pretty freakin' vague except as defined by right to work states in the US. "And many more..." Have you ever noticed that the communist, socialist, liberal, democrats, idiots, (They're all the same when boiled down to their essence) are expert at making up "rights" out of thin air? You failed World History in school, didn't you? Like most liberals, you love to set up straw persons (can't say strawman anymore) so you can knock them down. There is a vast difference between what was going on in 1939-1941 and what is going on now. Frankly your attempt to campare the two is a great deal like comparing apples and handgrenades. Kind of ironic coming from a central control collectivist liberal. Is THAT what you got out of that? ROFL!!! | |
| The Pirates of Xyanth | P.S. Back to that "Right to Work" thing for a minute. I just got off a phone call about one of my employees that raises another question regarding your definition of a right to work. Does that right mean I have to keep an employee who is marginally competent, but has a gift for pissing off clients? Do I have to keep an employee who is unable to do the job anymore? | |
| New valgrad | Your objections are valid, and to all of them the answer is, "No." Human rights do not extend as far as you are trying to paint them. As for "freedom of education" and "freedom to work", these merely mean that these things cannot be held against someone based merely on their race, ethnicity, or gender. Think Frederick Douglas. Your second point: OK, that's fair. But the principle still holds, even if the analogy doesn't. What's the use of fighting tyranny if there are no human rights and no such thing as a tyrant? Third point: Wow. OK. Here, I took the Pew Center Political Quiz for you. Here we are; I'm a moderate Republican!!!!! I'm just not a Q-Anon traitor, like most in The Party these days! Lastly: No hard feelings, my friend, no hard feelings! It sort of depends. Do you work in retail? | |
| The Pirates of Xyanth | No, remote television production. Can you tell me why it makes a difference? | |
| New valgrad | Well, if you'd worked for, say, a gun shop, and one of your employees was an outspoken liberal, you couldn't fire them based merely on their political beliefs, even though those beliefs made it hard to do their job. Although at that point, they should probably look for a new job anyway. But I doubt if there's any reason you'd fire someone in remote television production based on race or political views. | |
| New valgrad | Bruh, I kid you not, he ripped off the plot to a GK Chesterton mystery story. Got to give him credit for brains. | |
| The Pirates of Xyanth | ROFL!!! Who says I could not fire the outspoken communist? It is my business and if a Dumbass employee is driving off my customers spewing his fertilizer, I can and will fire him right then and there on the spot. Even if Mr. Dumbass is not spewing his crap at work, but it gets back to me that he is attending anti-gun rallies I can still fire him. This is especially true if that information comes back to me via my customers. Never forget the first, most basic rule in the employer/employee economic relationship: The employee only has a job as long as that employee is worth more than that employee is being paid. But it is not just economics. The fact is in this nation an employee works at the whim of the employer. Assuming there is no union involved (and even that doesn't help all the time, see below) the instant that employee becomes a pain in the ass, that employee is unemployed. That can and does apply to politics. Colin Kaepernick isn't playing for anyone, is he? Rightfully so. His job on the field is to play football, not spread nonsense about police officers and disrespect the flag. Still don't think so? Let us go down a short list of people who lost their jobs or their businesses to the Politically correct Inquisition. Brendan Eich, inventor of Mozilla and CEO of that corporation was forced to step down from his company after it got out he contributed to the campaign for Proposition 8.[1] There are the people who lost their jobs over supporting Obama and Obamacare.[2] And how about all those people fired for supporting President Trump?[3][4][5][6] Heck, some of the never to be sufficiently damned Democrats in this nation want to make sure that no Trump supporter keeps their job or ever works again.[7] Damn straight. If I am writing the paychecks, I get to decide who I want to pay and who I do not want to pay. ROFL!!! You have got to be the most naive human on the planet. I worked primarily in remote engineering side of television news for more than 30 years. People are hired and fired on the basis of race and politics every freakin' day. I personally know two engineers that are no longer working for CNN over their political views. One said the wrong thing in front of the wrong snowflake. The other was outed by some minor level producer combing through a list of Trump contributors in Georgia. Both were on the street inside of five weeks. One of NBC's best field producers was fired in 2019 for telling superiors Trump wasn't all that bad. His union did nothing for him. Then there is the talent. The on camera people are without a doubt the most politically correct, racially proper, politically charged hiring (and firing) decisions on the planet. Even Fox News went down that path. Kind of sad, that. Oh, yeah. Regardless of whatever surveys you may have taken, you are a Lefty all the way. One who see's Q-Anon in every patriot he hears of. So, now all that is settled, what other misconceptions can I set you straight on? ----------------------------------------------------------- | |
| New valgrad | So what you're telling me is it's all right for you to fire a Liberal because of his political beliefs, but it wouldn't be all right if a Liberal were to fire you? You're just not answering my arguments! I'm not saying that human rights are somehow defended by the Liberals and trampled on by the Conservatives! In many ways, citing your examples above, it can be just the opposite! | |
| The Pirates of Xyanth | Happy Colonial Treason Day! Gurkland and New valgrad | |
| New valgrad | Treason is the reason for the season! | |
via Happy Utopia |  The Democratic Technomancy of Gurkland | Poetry The fireworks are harmful though :c America is not a ''force for good'' but rather a puppet of other governments, the arsenal of imperialism. If France wanted to invade Libya, USA follows suit. If the UK wanted to invade Iran, the USA follows suit. If Israel want Jerusalem as a capital, USA follows suit. The problem of American politicians is that they barely know any real geopolitics in depth, they just call someone random a dictator, replace them with a pro american dictatorship or democracy with their immense military at the whim of other nations interest. It has pretty naive policy makers for a superpower. Also, what are you gonna do against Putin? He just wanted a russian majority place that the people voted for, and Europe is dependent on Russian Oil and Gas. What are you gonna do? Sanction them? It has already been tried and the russian people suffered. You can't just punish them just because they don't want postmodern propaganda. If they are violating human rights, why then Americans do not attack Saudi Arabia or Qatar? Do you remember the Britney Spears conservatorship case? In Saudi Arabia, ALL women are required to have a mandatory male guardian, so that's much more worse for human rights than some petty LGBT material. The problem here are the lax labour laws that you have in the USA. It's too easy to just fire someone there, in european countries you wouldn't be able to get fired unless there's a real economic reason, not because of what you think and what you say. Of course the Union did nothing for him, he need a labour lawyer, not an union. |
| The Pirates of Xyanth | Define "all right." What I am telling you is that it is legal and, without union meddling, there is nothing stopping an employer from doing so. And you are putting words in my mouth. Where did I say it is not ok for anyone to fire me for whatever reason suits that person? No I didn't. I simply used those examples to show you how wrong you are. Dogma? Seriously?? Look how you spelled "common sense." I already did that. Let me recap for you: There is no such thing as "human rights." it is a myth conjured out of thin air by liberal leaders so the useful idiots will have something to rally around and feel all outraged over. No they aren't. ROFL!!! Yeah, that's what's going on. Trump was doing it. His energy policies had the price of oil so low that the Russian economy was crashing. Biden undid all of that. Yeah, Europe is pretty screwed up that way. Here's the deal. When someone works for me I have a non-negotiable standard for performance. That standard includes, but is not limited to, showing up on time, sober, presentable, and ready to work. My employees are required to do their jobs without constant supervision, and do those jobs better than anyone else in the industry. They are required to work with our clients, crews, and others in a positive, no problem manner to get the job done as efficiently as possible. They are required to keep their log books up to date and comply with all the federal rules we suffer under. And they are required to keep up with the maintenance on their equipment and make sure they have all the gear they need for each job. If any of my employees becomes a pain in the ass to our clients, that employee is out of a job. Those clients do not have to hire us. There is no where near enough work to go around. Clients can be choosy. If an employee is pissing in the client's Cheerios, firing that employee not only protects the business and my investment, it also protects the job (and health insurance) other employees. If an employee gets caught screwing around with the log books, bringing the wrath of the DOT down around our ears, that costs time and a lot of money to iron out. It also makes life miserable for the rest of the people on the road as that DOT number gets flagged meaning those trucks will be inspected at every weigh station they come to. If I am writing the paychecks and an employee becomes useless to me through inaction, perpetual screwups, a drug problem, or disability, there is no reason for me to keep that employee on the payroll. If it ever comes to the point that I have to keep someone on the payroll who is a detriment to the company, I'll close the place up and cash out. My employees are treated well and well paid for their efforts. In exchange for that I get to pick and choose who I hire and, should the need arise, who I fire. That is the way it should be. European socialist employment rules are a detriment to keeping business alive and well. | |
| The Pirates of Xyanth | New poll is up. What do you think about the outcome of the first trial in George Floyd's death? | |
| Ancapadonia | Option 4: Not enough. Floyd was killed because police officers are generally unaccountable to the people, and are shielded from the consequences of their actions by the politicians they serve. Chauvin assumed he would get away with whatever he did to Floyd, but public outrage made it impossible. All laws shielding bad cops should be repealed, and a consitutional amendment should be ratified that bans qualified immunity and holds all government officials and employees personally, financially and legally responsible for the abuses they inflict on the citizens, up to and including the death penalty for violating the people's constitutionally-protected rights. | |
| New valgrad | Personally, I thought Judge Cahill did a great job with the entire trial, by separating it from politics and basing his decision purely on the law. You know he called it right when the right is saying its too harsh and the left that it's not enough! | |
| New valgrad | That's leftist, extreme, and just plain dumb. These situations would never arise in the first place if we could just make a few reforms, such as outlawing use of excessive force and providing (yes, I'm going to say it, Xyanth) mental health professionals, not to replace police, but to go with them on calls that require professional counseling that sometimes, police just can't handle. | |
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| The Pirates of Xyanth | Seriously? | |
| Ancapadonia | Yes, seriously. | |
| Ancapadonia | Extreme? Maybe by current standards. Leftist? How is it in any way leftist to severely limit government power? Dumb? I disagree. History has shown time and time again that the government of one's own country is the single greatest threat to your life, freedom and prosperity. 250+ million innocent people were killed by governments in the 20th century alone. | |
| The Pirates of Xyanth | Sadly, it isn't. | |
| Ancapadonia | Very sadly. |
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